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Old 04-26-2018, 03:41 PM   #41
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I'm looking for you too. It has to be a black SL2 so the space time continuum stays in balance.

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Old 04-27-2018, 09:23 PM   #42
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We finished the plumbing and bled the brakes. They feel good. I lubed the window. It is better than it was. Passenger side is still poor. Here is the last oil change sticker from 19,517 miles ago. It has been a long time since anybody showed a little love for this car!
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^ ^ ^ I usually do my own, but used to leave the sticker up from an occasional old change as a reminder for my next - so if I had a shop do it at 130k and I did 5k intervals, I'd leave their reminder to change at 133k up, to remind me to change oil at 135k, 140k, etc.

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This is a good deal in my book.
Heck I am looking for a very similar project car but for my other son.
I haven't looked at ebay cars in a long time, was looking at computer parts and decided to go through my old, saved searches. This is in Fort Mills, SC

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Saturn...pasXnK&vxp=mtr

12 hours left, currently at $315, no reserve. 1999 SC2, auto trans, 164k miles

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The Force tells me this is not the case here! This was definitely a rescue.

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Old 04-28-2018, 02:49 PM   #45
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We drained the coolant. It has water now.


Clutch hydraulics are better but not good. Junkyard or the one from Rock Auto that somebody recommended?


About to take a family trip in the car. Wish us luck!
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Running an aluminum engine on water only is highly not recommended.

Get good hydraulics from a JY car. Test it on the junker and always keep the slave below the master cylinder!.

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Old 04-29-2018, 12:12 AM   #47
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The water was temporary, just for flushing. Here is the first batch of water drained out:


Second batch:


We ran one more batch of water through it and it is draining in the hangar overnight. It should be well flushed. Then 60/40 green antifreeze will go in.

You know how it is a pain when you do a fresh oil change and it is hard to see the level on the dipstick?


That was not a problem this time! My new oil was immediately dirty.
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I suspect that you may be behind several oil changes. A couple of 500 mile quick changes should clear it up a bunch.

Running water with automatic dishwasher detergent until hot and then draining a couple of cycles until clear is a real good idea with a final fill and rinse with distilled water to get rid of the detergent residue is a good idea.

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The Force tells me this is not the case here! This was definitely a rescue.
Yeah, looking at that "new" oil, no doubt about that!

coming along very nicely.

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No lights work on the trunk lid - reverse or license plate. The truck lid is misaligned. Left turnsignal is very weak, right side slightly better. I've bought some new bulbs and there is some work to do.
We did our final flush and have green prestone in there.
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Old 04-29-2018, 04:51 PM   #51
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We got new bulbs and chucked them in. They are good now.

I found one of the reasons for the weak left turnsignal. When I see this sort of thing I worry about the future of the species.


We did a fix, but will look for a new tail light.


We bought turtle wax sticker remover. It seems to be doing a fair job on the tint.


Our oil pan is rusty. When changing the oil last night we noted the drain plug is almost blocked by the subframe. Wondering if a '99 oil pan would bolt on, as the drain is in a different spot.
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The 99 bolts in BUT there is a minor mod required unless you want to pull the flywheel. All aftermarket pans are the Gen-3 style that must be modded.

Gen-3 Oil Pan modification for easy removal with engine in car or removing pan after installed without modification.
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Our oil pan is rusty. When changing the oil last night we noted the drain plug is almost blocked by the subframe. Wondering if a '99 oil pan would bolt on, as the drain is in a different spot.
I'll put this out there as an option....coating my oil pan with multiple coats of POR15 with fiberglass embedded was very effective in fixing rust with pin hole leaks. The fiberglass was just over the area with the pin holes. There are some before and after photos here .....

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I love this thread, keep it up!

Let me know if you figure out a good way to fix the door panel clip, I broke one of mine too. Stupid plastic gets SUPER brittle after 20 years.

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What scares me is that if I start removing rust it is going to leak. The oil pan project will come during rebuild.

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Will do, it will also probably be during the rebuild. I am thinking I'll take a splash off a non-standard busted tab with bondo. A splash is a mold you make to duplicate something. Then I'll clamp it in place and lay up fiberglass.

For now, I just want to fix the key things and drive it! Yesterday we adjusted the trunk lid and took off a layer of tint from the rear window. I have tint remover on the way from Amazon. Also I have those Wagner hydraulics on the way. I'll report out how they work. Finally I've got to fix my shift lever. A prior owner must have been engaging in Kung Fu in the car as the lever is waaaay over to the right.

Thanks for the feedback guys! And, I drove the car into work today.

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What scares me is that if I start removing rust it is going to leak. The oil pan project will come during rebuild.

That's the situation I had with rust and a pin hole leak. The POR15 is able to bridge the holes and seal them. For a good measure I embedded fiberglass cloth into the POR15 where there was a known leak.

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First fillup today. Assuming the prior owner reset the trip meter at his last fillup, 27.8 MPG.

My window tint remover showed up today.
https://www.amazon.com/ATR-Solution-...IGL&ref=plSrch

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^ ^ ^ I usually do my own, but used to leave the sticker up from an occasional old change as a reminder for my next - so if I had a shop do it at 130k and I did 5k intervals, I'd leave their reminder to change at 133k up, to remind me to change oil at 135k, 140k, etc.

I haven't looked at ebay cars in a long time, was looking at computer parts and decided to go through my old, saved searches. This is in Fort Mills, SC

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Saturn...pasXnK&vxp=mtr

12 hours left, currently at $315, no reserve. 1999 SC2, auto trans, 164k miles
That is the car I bought.


You are making fast progress with this car.
Are you going to do a rebuild on this motor?

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Wow! You got that for $420. Cool. I will probably rebuild the motor later on. I am more concerned about the gearbox in the immediate future. If I can get those new clutch hydraulics working, the shift tower fixed, and the rear window clear I'll be good. I am about to start searching for an air conditioner troubleshooting and rebuild thread.

Edit: eBay said 420 when I clicked on the link, but I see you mentioned $719 before. Still cool!

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They had $299 in fees on top of the sale.
I would have felt better at $420 at least the bill of sale is still $420 so that will save on taxes.
But this car will not need painted and AC works. That will save some money.


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