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Old 05-08-2006, 02:10 PM   #1
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Default Using E-85 in my 1994 Sat Sw1

I am using 2 gallons of E-85 per fill-up.
According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/e85,
up to 20% E-85 is not harmful in post-1988
vehicles. What do you say?
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Old 05-08-2006, 02:41 PM   #2
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Saturns are definitely fine with up to 10% ethanol. Most states use that instead of MTBE as the winter additive. Though 20% of E-85 is 17% ethanol, which isn't specifically listed as being safe, but may be okay. Anyone can edit a wiki page, so take everything on wikipedia with a grain of salt.
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Old 05-08-2006, 03:01 PM   #3
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It's hard to predict the outcome once alcohol levels exceed a 10 percent mix since every vehicle will have a different reaction. Don't be surprised if your MIL comes on due to a lean condition at the O2 sensor under heavy throttle conditions. That blend is within the capacity of your fuel system, but not by much. I doubt that you'll suffer any fuel system consequences, like materials deterioration in that low of a blend.
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Old 05-08-2006, 04:52 PM   #4
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Default Re: Using E-85 in my 1994 Sat Sw1

Don't use it more than what your owner manual recommands.
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Old 05-08-2006, 04:58 PM   #5
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Do not use greater than 10% ethanol in any vehicle unless otherwise specified. Having greater than that amount causes some gaskets and plasics to swell, as well as destroys fuel injectors. On another note, you are losing fuel economy as well as power with ethanol. The best fuel mileage and power will come with the fuel with the least or no ethanol.
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Old 05-09-2006, 05:38 PM   #6
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Default Re: Using E-85 in my 1994 Sat Sw1

does anyone have technical or practical
experience that @23% ethanol blend is dangerous
to my vehicle, re: gas tank, fuel lines, injectors, catalytic converter?
I am just asking in the context of the wikipedia article.
I believe ethanol may produce acids in certain cases, requiring
anti-acid oil, and engine-hardening additives.
Brazil I believe allows 25% ethanol blend at pumps now.
I am not criticizing anyone here....
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:22 PM   #7
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There are a number of US-built, US-sold production cars and trucks that run fine on anything between pure gasoline and E-85. Do they need special oil? I presume their fuel systems are made of materials that are made for this range of fuel mixture.
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:19 AM   #8
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Colosat,
I don't know what will happen if you use E-85. I use it whenever I can get it, usually on weekends in Cheyenne, WY. I fill the tank and go. The car, a 94 SW2, runs great, no lights, no misses, a little less power. MPG a little less, from 35 to 27, and it smells funny. Cost per mile is about the same. Does it hurt the car? I don't know. I'll let you know if it breaks (I don't expect it to). I have run about 800 miles on the stuff. Yeh, and it probably voids your warranty!
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E-85 WILL corrode your fuel system if the vehicle isn't designed to use it. DO NOT use straight E-85 in S-series Saturns.

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Old 05-11-2006, 10:57 AM   #10
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Default Re: Using E-85 in my 1994 Sat Sw1

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Do not use greater than 10% ethanol in any vehicle unless otherwise specified. Having greater than that amount causes some gaskets and plasics to swell, as well as destroys fuel injectors. On another note, you are losing fuel economy as well as power with ethanol. The best fuel mileage and power will come with the fuel with the least or no ethanol.
Most gas sold in the U.S. already contains 10% ethanol.
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:15 PM   #12
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On another note, you are losing fuel economy as well as power with ethanol. The best fuel mileage and power will come with the fuel with the least or no ethanol.
I don't know how much this applies, but in vehicles that can run on ethanol alone, there is a 10% drop in efficiency and a 5% increase in power from running on ethanol (as opposed to regular fuel).
The increase in power may come from the higher octane rating of ethanol, thus, it might not increase your power (maybe even decrease it). Like I said, I'm not really sure how this applies to you.
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E-85 WILL corrode your fuel system if the vehicle isn't designed to use it. DO NOT use straight E-85 in S-series Saturns.

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If you have been running it already, I would change your Fuel filter and run some Techron fuel system cleaner with some "spirited" driving to try to get as much of that out as possible. I had a customer come in that bought E85 gas without even knowing it (or caring) about 3 months earlier. It wreaked HAVOC on the sytem once it went back to normal gasoline. Almost the ENTIRE fuel system rusted out from the INSIDE out! I had to repalce the fuel pump/sending unit, thoroughly clean fuel tank, replace all Fuel lines, replace fuel filter, and fuel pressure regulator, and clean thoroughly, and I mean thoroughly the fuel rail and injectors. Took almost 2 days worht of work due ot the cleaning, and cost the customer almost $2500. E85 in normal systems is highly corrosive to say the least.
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E85 in normal systems is highly corrosive to say the least.
This is what I don't get, though. What's so "normal" about that? Agreed, our S-cars are NOT tolerant of E-85, as are, apparently, most gas cars. But those that do run on E-85 aren't any more expensive than their gas-only counterparts. Their fuel systems are obviously made from different materiels, but they can't be much more expensive materials. So why aren't more cars built to be more fuel-flexible? Or is this, ultimately, a political question that's "beyond the scope"?
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E-85 cars get a substantial CAFE exemption.

Ford taurus FFV (flexible fuel vehicle) is a popular example.

The government gives them a HUGE loophole as motivation to develop the technology. The car counts as like 70 mpg on their CAFE average.

Ford subsidizes the price of the FFV junk in their taurus so they can sell more gas guzzlers.

The joke, and it is a cruel one, is most FFV taurii are sold in states where you can't even get E85, so they run regular gas.
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