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Old 04-07-2015, 03:49 PM   #1
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Default Greenline Reliability Consensus?

We are eyeing some VUEs currently. Several of them are Greenline, which I like for the larger engine & better mileage.

Is there any reason to be concerned with reliability of the Hybrid model over the 2005-2007 2.2/5spd or 2.2/Auto? Eyeing some with anywhere from 100-145k miles. Want a reliable 75-100k of use from the car before we move onto something else.

Can the hybrid be converted to a "standard" LE5 VUE (I know such a thing does not exist) if the crap hits the fan?

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Old 04-12-2015, 09:19 AM   #2
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Once all the recalls are done, it seems to be good.
Has regular GM 2.4L issues like leaking oil pan, few sensors but that seems all.

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Old 04-12-2015, 02:07 PM   #3
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While not knowledgeable about hybrid vehicles in general, having some familiarity in another area with rechargeable battery systems and the evolution from plain, ni-cad, nickel metal, lithium, etc., presents possible long term issues with these battery systems. There appears to be a similar path when supposedly the first two years of a new model wrings out all the little problems of a car before settling in to a reliable vehicle free of new model issues. The hybrid electric/gas vehicles may have their own set of issues since electric vehicles use electric motors. How reliable are electric motors and what are the costs of replacing one? Also, these hybrid batteries have a finite lifetime that would require replacement at some point while the special charging system and customized speed controller electronics are another expensive item on top of the usual maintenance costs for gasoline engines. It can be said that electric power is free from maintenance but without a baseline of information on hybrid vehicles in relation to its electrical/electronic issues (if any) along with data covering the usage patterns around the USA to cover every possible weather condition, there may be little to go on in determining reliability. At what time frame will issues pop up related to hybrid use? After 25k, 50k, 100k, 200k miles? Some of the questions I would be asking or searching for info would be; the type of battery used as each type has its pros and cons in relation to lifetime and costs of replacement/availability, the electrical/electronic systems that recharges and regulates power feeding the electric motors and their reliability against wear and tear in every day use in all weather conditions, parts availability/cost in a discontinued brand (Saturn), any issues related to the discontinuance of this model and whether or not GM in any local area can deal with legacy issues if a vehicle should need service requiring specific expertise in hybrid systems, and whether or not worrying about different hybrid electric/gas vehicles are actual issues to worry about. In my personal opinion, electric drive systems are a whole different area requiring trained expertise in addition to a dealers normal staff of GM trained mechanics/technicians.

Like Saturnfans, if I were deciding on a hybrid vehicle, I would try to find forums with hybrid owners dealing with hybrid issues to see if there are hidden problems not brought up in general discussions like here on Saturnfans. The Chevy Volt may have its own forum where owners share experiences and may reveal any issues with hybrid use. An example and unique problem; one early Volt made news a few years ago that revealed something odd; A new Volt was bought as a second car and the owner decided to add house wiring specific to the needs of recharging this car. Unknown to the public in general, there are two recharging modes; overnight and fast charging. Typical recharging requires a relatively slow overnight recharge of hybrid batteries and an option on some vehicles will allow owners to modify their home wiring to allow fast charging. In essence, more power is needed to fast charge any battery so this homeowner decided to wire in supplemental power but failed to heed electrical codes from a lack of DIY education resulting in burning down part of his home. Clearly the Volt was determined not the cause of this owners home fire but the lack of education in electrical codes governing wiring to allow fast charging his Volt. Another case of someone thinking about plug n' play simplicity when its not.

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Old 04-14-2015, 11:34 AM   #4
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Default Re: Greenline Reliability Consensus?

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Thanks. Hybrids in general do not scare me (this is replacing an '02 Prius). They are pretty easy to work on, and in the case of the Prius, rock solid reliable. Was just curious about the GM hybrid system which seems to have a tiny ownership base and short track record.

Doesn't matter anyway, ended up going with an '07 2.2/5spd

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Once all the recalls are done, it seems to be good.
Has regular GM 2.4L issues like leaking oil pan, few sensors but that seems all.
Agreed. It took GM a while to figure out some hybrid components, but the recalls seemed to have addressed them. Otherwise it's a pretty simple car.

We're at 120k now (owned since new) and we're happy with it. My wife loves to drive it and I love how cheap it's been to operate. We could probably use a van, but it continues to serve our needs and we're in no hurry to replace it.

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To balance this discussion; http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=207792

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