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Old 09-11-2013, 02:05 PM   #1
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Default Are TPMS valves required.

I have 2008 Astra and am tired of paying to have the tires switched on the rims.

Can i just buy some cheap rims with normal valves and put them on the car. How if any will this affect the TPMS in my car. Will it screw it up? or will the light just stay on annoyingly until the spring and i put the TPMS valed rims back on and reset the system?

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I apologize if this has been covered a thousand times on here but the search engine or my terms are not working for me.

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Old 09-11-2013, 02:29 PM   #2
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

Answers depends on how you view tpms. Sensors are required to allow tpms to inform you of low tire pressure. They're not mandatory unless its legislated in your part of the world. You can always choose sensor-less rims.

No sensors on new rims means the tpms panics and turns on the indicator. Until someone can come up with a wiring diagram to post for anyone to determine how to turn off tpms or at least the indicator (if possible), there is no reason for you not to go out and buy a set of rims without sensors and use them. Of course this means going back to old school ways of actually eyeballing tires for lost air or using a tire pressure gauge to check on sensor-less wheels.

I'm guessing tpms won't fail when the regular wheels (with sensors) are used again. The system may need to be calibrated again or described as synching when sensors are left off and then reintroduced like your situation and many others in your predicament.

Just be aware that sensors with batteries have a limited life between 5-10 years. Another market was created to detect whether or not sensors have died when confusion arises when tpms detects (or not) a dead sensor.

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Old 09-11-2013, 04:29 PM   #3
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

Mac, I believe it will screw it up, but, so what...

Old school ways work , though I can see the convenience/safety aspects while driving.

. While at the gas station yesterday, I noticed a late model BMW with a flat (driver/rear) tire. A simple glance over to the next island of pumps( 15 feet or so) where we was pulled in at was all that was necessary. THe tire sidewall at the top was twice as high as it the height of the sidewall where resting on the pavement . It was also low profile tire.

I told the owner he was driving on a "may pop" as in, "that tire may pop..." (if you keep driving it under inflated ). Either the TPMS light on his car was burned out, the sensor itself in that tire defective, or any other manner of bugaboos. He was checking his oil, cleaning his windshield, windows and mirrors at the time and may have been senile as he went right back to changing his oil. Maybe he thought his BMWTPMS knew better.

If it's a hassle ,get rid of it and put a sticker over the spot on the dash where that indicator is.

It's a mandate for the manufacturer's- not end users, lest they be subject to various safety inspections that vary from state to state. I've yet to see any TPP enforcement in my region.

Maybe it's a deal buster at your local DMV if they do safety inspections that also encompass TPMS systems. I can't advise if it is or not. I've never heard of it being an issue( here).

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Old 09-11-2013, 05:14 PM   #4
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

Just to add on the "What happens when you re-mount the tires with the TMPS". Been through this every spring when I put the all seasons back on - the system re-detects the TMPS sensors after 5-10 km of driving and the light goes off.

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Old 09-11-2013, 05:20 PM   #5
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

more and more new cars now have legal tpms with no valve sensors. just put on winter tires and they work.

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Old 09-11-2013, 08:16 PM   #6
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

Don't listen to the guy saying not having sensors on during winter will break the system, it won't the only thing thats going to happen is the tpms light will always be on. Come spring just put your summer tires on and that's it, no need to get them re calibrated or adjusted. A lot of people like posting on the astra forums without knowing much about our cars.

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Old 09-12-2013, 02:41 AM   #7
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

Ido this every year. My TPMS system always works. The moment I put t summers back on and have the pressures balanced the light goes off

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Old 09-12-2013, 09:50 AM   #8
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

Thanks guys, That is what i thought, but the dealer isn't going to tell me that. He is trying to sell me 4 sensors. $600.00 cdn.

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Old 09-12-2013, 10:41 AM   #9
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Default Re: Are TPMS valves required.

I picked up used sensors from a salvage yard last year through www.car-part.com. I think they were about $20 each at the time. They were listed under the "sensor-chassis" category. I use them on my summer tires and rims and they have been trouble free.

My original TPMS sensors are on my OEM rims, which have my winter tires mounted on them.

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Old 09-12-2013, 11:15 PM   #10
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more and more new cars now have legal tpms with no valve sensors. just put on winter tires and they work.
Pretty sure the direct sensors are mandatory now. The passive systems that ran off the ABS sensors were getting very common until the regulators got involved.

The light is somewhat annoying, but I think the warning for low pressure is a bit more noticeable and having none just makes the dash light stay on and I believe it blinks always in the beginning, but I might be getting my cars confused.

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Old 09-13-2013, 02:59 PM   #11
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there are now indirect systems that meet current laws. see 2013 honda accord and many euro cars...

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Old 09-15-2013, 12:14 AM   #12
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there are now indirect systems that meet current laws. see 2013 honda accord and many euro cars...
I had no idea they came back. I wonder if something changed in the regulations or the automakers were able to come up with an indirect system to satisfy the regulations. Obviously there is a pretty large cost advantage for the automakers and the end consumers in using the indirection systems. Glad to see that coming back.

This article was informative, but not clear as to whats different now.
http://www.tpmsmanager.com/blog/the-...indirect-tpms/

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came out with system that meets current laws. much easier and cheaper for customer to use but wouldnt work as quickly and efficiently as direct does. older systems couldnt tell if all tires were low at once. they values the difference between highest and lowest. im sure this one has a start value and if any go down it lights the light just like direct.

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