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Old 12-02-2005, 10:36 PM   #1
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Default Today I hit 200k miles on my 92 SL2

Today my 92 SL 1.9 dohc hit 200k miles..Car runs excellent only thing is that it eats oil..I have to add oil every time I fill up with gas..Also since I hit 200k miles should I start thinking or not about replacing the timing chain? Have you guys replaced your timing chain on your saturn when you hit 200k miles? There is no noise.. Or should I just wait till I hear some noise on the passenger side.. Then replace the timing chain?

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Old 12-02-2005, 10:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: Today I hit 200k miles on my 92 SL2

Id wait till there is some noise or other symptoms...on the other hand another post just mentioned a change in materials beyond 1994 so Maybe it would be a good Idea. Have you tried anything to cure your oil consumption? congrats on the 200k!

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Old 12-02-2005, 11:03 PM   #3
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Hey! That's great!
I'm new here so I'm not a maxed out authority, but 200K on a chain is a whopper. It probably should be changed since if it breaks it will eat (bend) the valves in the head and present an expensive repair. Part of the repair will present an opportunity to replace the front oil seal and perhaps reduce some of the oil consumption.

As far as the oil consumption...This could be caused by leaks at the front and/or rear main oil seals (or by worn valve stem guides/seals), or I read a tech service bulletin (TSB) from Saturn about pouring solvent in the spark plug holes to wash out the piston rings and free them up. Apparently the piston's oil rings get locked in with deposits and will no longer scavenge the oil off the cylinder walls, causing high consumption. Saturn has this procedure and it is simple and takes only a half day to do.

I'm sure other members of the forum will respond with more detailed information.

I had really good success by pouring in a can and a half of Berryman's carb cleaner into the spark plug holes while the engine was WARM (NOT HOT! as it is flammable liquid and could ignite) and letting it set for a couple hours then cranking the engine without plugs to purge any remaining liquid, then re-inserting the plugs and starting and warming the engine up for a few minutes and then changing the oil and filter afterward to flush out the remaining solvent. I thought this was a horrendous thing to do, so on my already trashed saturn motor I tried it...

I later removed and disassembled the engine (to replace the crankshaft and all bearings as part of a lower end overhaul resulting from a spun #2 rod bearing) and noted that ALL piston rings were washed clean of residues making it much easier to clean up this part of the engine's innards in preparation for re-assembly. Saturn sells these solvents for around $35. Two cans of Berryman's costs $10 and does the same job!
Be careful doing this because the solvent is flammable as petrol...
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:04 PM   #4
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Default Re: Today I hit 200k miles on my 92 SL2

wait for the noise.

http://www.supload.com/vid/rattlechain/1405354521/wmv/

was what mine sounded like when I got it.

OTOH if you go in to do the piston rings and are keeping the car for the long haul a new timing kit is a good idea. (Kit includes sprockets, tensioner, guides too.)

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Old 12-02-2005, 11:19 PM   #5
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Default Re: Today I hit 200k miles on my 92 SL2

Congratulations!

I have a 1992 SL2 that I am restoring to keep around since they are my favorite. Mine has 220,600 miles on it, although the engine needs to be rebuilt.


Any pics?

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Old 12-03-2005, 01:47 AM   #6
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I have no pics yet but i'll soon get some, as for the oil consumption there is no oil leaks underneath at all. I didn't do the MMO engine top cleaner yet. Not sure if it will help. The weather here in Chicago is to cold right now for me to do it. Last week I did a oil change and I used the Shell Rotella 5w40 oil and still burns. I still have to add oil after I fill up with gas. Its not leaking its just burning up but its not coming out the tailpipe. Theres no blue smoke at all. So its probably worn valve guides, seals and worn piston rings.

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Old 12-03-2005, 09:59 AM   #7
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The MMO piston soak might help the oil usage. These timing chains usually give you some warning before they go. So, there's no danger in just waiting for it to start rattling. OTOH that is a lot of miles on one chain. It wouldn't hurt to replace it. If it was me, I'd wait for it to get noisy. It's a real pain to replace.

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Old 12-03-2005, 10:31 AM   #8
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Congrats! I guess replacing the timing chain couldn't hurt.

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Old 12-03-2005, 04:37 PM   #9
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wait for the noise.

http://www.supload.com/vid/rattlechain/1405354521/wmv/

was what mine sounded like when I got it.

OTOH if you go in to do the piston rings and are keeping the car for the long haul a new timing kit is a good idea. (Kit includes sprockets, tensioner, guides too.)

How many miles do you have on your saturn? And about how many miles did this timing noise start happening?

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Old 12-03-2005, 09:32 PM   #10
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How many miles do you have on your saturn? And about how many miles did this timing noise start happening?
When a timing chain goes is more a function of maintenance than miles. If your car has had oil changes when it should and the oil has been checked on a regular basis, you may never have a problem with it.

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Old 12-03-2005, 10:25 PM   #11
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Default Re: Today I hit 200k miles on my 92 SL2

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wait for the noise.

http://www.supload.com/vid/rattlechain/1405354521/wmv/

was what mine sounded like when I got it.

OTOH if you go in to do the piston rings and are keeping the car for the long haul a new timing kit is a good idea. (Kit includes sprockets, tensioner, guides too.)

What a great link! That kind of video is worth a page of description.

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Old 12-03-2005, 10:34 PM   #12
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Default Re: Today I hit 200k miles on my 92 SL2

barnowl is completely right on this one, though it also has to do with how you drive your car, which leads right back to regular maintenance. if you drive your car hard (like i do my SC2) then you need to spend a lot more time and money on maintenance. if you drive it easy (like i do my SL1) then it (your timing chain) shouldnt pose a problem and should last until you sell, blow up, total, get piss at and kill, or loose interest in your car.


Oh, and if your rings are worn or cracked, smoke will come out of your tail pipe. i thought i had cracked a ring one time, so we pulled the engine apart, and it turned out that the cylinder walls were all scratched up and was pocketing oil that was being bypassed by the rings and burning up against the head. if you do not have smoke coming out of your exhaust, then this is not your problem. search the forums and see if anyone else has ever had your same problem. a lot of people dont check the how-to's and past forums, but they are useful tools that help, because just about everything that can go wrong with a saturn has on this site and people have posted about it.


oh, and about the smoke color, different colors mean different things

i dont know what all the colors mean but,
White = water or coolant
Black = carbon/oil

hope this helps some

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Old 12-04-2005, 10:29 PM   #13
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Congrats on the 200K mile mark. I hit that in sometime in 2003....as I hit the 250K mile mark June 2004, and 275K mile mark May 2005.

Currently I am at 286145 miles as of 12/04/05.

When I bought my car in February of 1997 it had 59K miles on it. I was religious on oil changes (and still am to this day every 3-5K miles)....my timing chain went when I hit 100K.

The stipulation as many will tell you that *the timing chain is SUPPOSED to last the lifetime of the car*, but not all of them will...

My best advice would be to let the chain go until you start to hear the noise...many will tell you that replacing the timing chain, tensioners, etc. is very time consuming. If it isn't broken right now, I would wait until you start hearing the noises. After I had my timing chain replaced at 100K, I haven't had any problems since....the timing chain that is in there right now is the same one that I had installed back in 1999, and after now 186K miles on that chain....I'm not going to replace it until it needs it (which could be for another 100K miles!! who knows) I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

If there are other things you need to replace under the hood, I would take care of those first...the timing chain can wait if it isn't bad right now.

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Old 12-05-2005, 03:16 AM   #14
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I can't be responsible for the racket that timing chain made in the video. Bought the car that way. 116,000 miles, likely neglected. Previous owner didn't believe in our state inspection system and drove around for nine months without a sticker. Ironically I put a muffler on and now believe it will pass. Also CEL was on when I got car for an unrelated problem. General nimrod owner. At least it had 5.5 quarts of dirty oil in it ("Maybe more oil will shut it up", he must have thought.)

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