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Old 08-01-2003, 10:45 PM   #1
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Anyone here ever heard of Black Sheep Racing ('95 SC2 I think) and or a man named Neil Geirman (spelling on the last name may be different but it's close ) ? I was talking to someone from BSR a long time ago about a custom supercharger from Knight turbos and am getting geared up to go for some force fed action on the old A-spec and would dearly like to talk to them again . Why supercharge you say ? Just to try it out and to be different . But not like dodge different or anything . lol

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Old 08-02-2003, 01:11 PM   #2
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Yeah, SCDYNE has one available too. I'm still waiting for some dyno results.

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Old 08-02-2003, 04:03 PM   #3
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The TKT set-up uses a Vortech blower and the few people who have gone that route are all now in contact with me on a weekly basis trying to get it working.
The blower is just too large for a stock Saturn motor and the blower takes a long time to generate any boost.

Check out my site
http://www.scdyne.com
There is a lot of information and photos along with a dyno of a system that actually works like it's supposed to.
I use a much smaller Powerdyne blower that is better matched to our engines along with a proper sized pulley that makes power low in the rpm's and increases progressivly as engine rpms increase. Even the base system generates 6 psi of boost on a stock DOHC motor and puts 160+ HP to the wheels not even intercooled.

SLeepr, you waiting for me to have dyno results?

http://www.scdyne.com/dyno.html
I have had them for at least a year now..
I even have the physical print out too for all the people who think I made this up..
Thing is that the print out is usless to anyone with any real analysis skill, I would much rather have the data.
The data from the disc I was given after the dyno run is what drives the flash chart I made.

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Old 08-02-2003, 08:57 PM   #4
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I'll check it out. I'll probably put a few more miles on this rebuild before I get too ansy for the SC.

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Old 08-03-2003, 12:59 PM   #5
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What psi pulley were you running when you got these results?

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Old 08-03-2003, 01:05 PM   #6
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Not a bad kick in the butt. It's interesting to see the peak hp at redline.

I'll peruse your site a little more

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Old 08-03-2003, 01:20 PM   #7
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What psi pulley were you running when you got these results?
It looks like 4.5psi. Adam, what bolt ons were on your car, out of curiousity?

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Old 08-03-2003, 01:26 PM   #8
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My description online makes it look like I was running the 6 psi pulley, but I was running the 4.5 psi pulley non-intercooled. (It actually makes 6 psi of boost at 6500 RPM)

Since then others have dyno tested kits I have sold and put 167 HP to the ground.

If you follow the red line on the dyno that starts at the bottom you can see how Power is generated. It even starts as low as 2750 or when the pull started, jumps up at 4500 and begins the parabolic increase in power that's unique to this Supercharger.

With the 6 psi pulley the curve just begins a little lower in the RPM's and runs up to redline. Because of how the Supercharger makes power the limiting factor is always redline (oh and the mechanical limits of the motor)

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Old 08-03-2003, 01:46 PM   #9
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The base run was made just after the power run.
I pulled the serp belt, opened up the intake and made the run.
Because the PCM was not reset it ran real rich on the top (more than normal) so HP and TQ was a little down, but even at the normal numbers it's not much more than 5% difference.
The motor was a '95 stock ballanced with '91 header and saturn/HKS exhaust.
With the Hotshot header more power is made because it has larger primaries and a much larger collector.

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Old 08-05-2003, 01:56 AM   #10
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Man, I am so interested in your kit.... I wish I had the money right now. I just got a job at a shop, so maybe things will change. I got smoked by a VW 1.8T today. One question I have about the kit, though, is how well can the 99 SL2 Automatic tran. stand up to the added power? Thanks a lot.

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Old 08-05-2003, 01:58 AM   #11
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--- Just wanted to add, not to soudn desperate, it wasnt quite 'SMOKED' --- i got him off the line 2-3 cars, and he was in 3rd towards the top of my 2nd. I was surprised, actually that I kept up as much as I did. O well.... once I get this kit... oooo baby.

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Old 08-05-2003, 12:27 PM   #12
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If guy really knew how to drive, he would have stomped you. Those 1.8Ts are really quick.

Generally, the auto transmissions actually handle bigger loads than the manual ones. I'm sure you'll be alright.

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Old 08-05-2003, 02:27 PM   #13
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Plus the fact that the blower makes power based on engine RPM means that it's a very nice add-on. The power will be dictated by how your transmission is tuned (performance vs. norm agression), but the auto can go to redline just a well as the manual can.

Only one person has run boost for a long time on a Saturn, but it seemed like it responded well.
I have tested my set-up on autos and it works great.

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Old 08-05-2003, 07:01 PM   #14
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Re: the 1.8T... Personally, I think the motor on that thing is an underdeveloped POS. It's a 1.8L with a turbo and only makes 26 more horses than the N/A 1.9L Saturn. Rather pathetic, isn't it? Anyway, yeah, it was some dumbass ricer who would race anything from a mom in a MBZ to a CEO in a Z06.... doesn't bug me one bit. Hehe. I've had my share of wins, though. :-)

Thanks for the info Scdyne.

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Old 08-06-2003, 01:40 AM   #15
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Re: the 1.8T... Personally, I think the motor on that thing is an underdeveloped POS. It's a 1.8L with a turbo and only makes 26 more horses than the N/A 1.9L Saturn. Rather pathetic, isn't it? Anyway, yeah, it was some dumbass ricer who would race anything from a mom in a MBZ to a CEO in a Z06.... doesn't bug me one bit. Hehe. I've had my share of wins, though. :-)

Thanks for the info Scdyne.
I'm not sure which N/A 1.9L Saturn you're referring to. But, the GTI 1.8T comes with 180HP. That's a little more than a Saturn DOHC with 124hp. While maybe not the most efficient turbo motor on the planet, I think it's 3k weight hurts it more than anything. My car contends pretty well with the 1.8T. But, it took quite a bit to get it there (still N/A).

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Old 08-30-2003, 01:33 AM   #16
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Alot of cars that are released these days , particularily the forced induction type are subject to heavy C.A.R.B. and Smog testing and such , alot of these cars we see today are capable of way more power than they come from the factory with (hence after-market and especially manufacturer supported aftermarket) but car companies don't like added taxes and such driving up the prices of their vehicles , so to qualify their cars as L.E.V. (low emissions vehicles) and U.L.E.V. (ultra low emissions vehicles) they induce more "removable" restrictions and don't pour the full amount of performance into their factory vehicles . But literally you can have parts added by the DEALER but in most cases cannot order a car pre modded from the FACTORY . For example the Dodge neon SRT-4 , It qualifies as a L.E.V. ,but you get the dealer to install a Mopar stage one upgrade kit and I can guarantee it wouldn't pass as a L.E.V. .

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I'm not sure which N/A 1.9L Saturn you're referring to. But, the GTI 1.8T comes with 180HP. That's a little more than a Saturn DOHC with 124hp.
Right, the NEWER ones have 180hp. The older ones from the mid-to-late 90's only put down roughly 159 or so. The 180 is a recent development.

Yeah, any car that can put down 100 horses per liter is okay in my book.

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heh, the S2000 puts down 120hp/L N/A

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Old 10-22-2003, 10:54 AM   #19
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Sorry to dig this thread up again, but would SCDYNE's kit make my car not pass emissions. Would I need to take the kit off before I took it in for the tests

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Old 10-23-2003, 01:25 AM   #20
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I don't know what the laws are in PA, but here in CA you have to be issued a Executive Order number by the state of California Air Resources Board to run components that change or in any way modify the way the emmissions. (that's a general definition only)

Would it pass an emmissions test? YES. It's been tested for CARB, but I don't have the $$ to pay for the inspector to test it and issue the EO#.

Problem is that since there is no issued EO# it would fail a test based on a visual inspeation, but if physically tested it would pass as long as the rest of your car was operating normally.

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