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Old 06-11-2014, 10:54 AM   #1
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Happy Engine swap time! Which engine should I do?

I have an experienced shop that is doing a swap for me. I have a 2005 Ion with 127k that the engine blew, I will be picking up a engine and tranny for it. The question is what engine to get. It has a 2.2l in it and I'd like to see some more power.

I was thinking a 2.4L swap since the engines are just as cheap to get used for a 2.2 as they are a 2.4l. I am on a budget a bit so I don't think I'd do the 2.0L. Then I saw someone doing a L67 (which I am VERY familar with as I ran straight track with my GTP back in the day).

Your thoughts?

Saw a guy walked through his install on a 2.4 swap doesn't look like to much work just wiring.

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-4l-...54/index2.html

"To tell you the truth, the only difficult part is the harness modification. Everything else is pretty straight forward. The engine bolts right in as normal. And the ECM is just a re-flash. I'm going with an OEM reflash because I'm a cheap skate and I have the tools/resources to do it. When its done, I'll do a write-up for the harness modification. "

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Old 06-11-2014, 11:54 AM   #2
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The 2.2 has the best power for economy. Mine is lightly modded and makes much more power than stock, but silk gets 44mpg on the highway. The 2.4 is a good engine, though, and despite its vault increased complexity, seems to remain a fairly reliable engine. If a modest increase in power is your goal, consider saving the extra money you would spend with the shop fitting the engine that was never meant to go in your year car and instead getting an intake, full exhaust from an lsj ion, and a tune and get better economy, and probably even a little more power than the 2.4. You also then have a less complex engine to maintain over time.

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Old 06-11-2014, 02:33 PM   #3
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Default Re: Engine swap time! Which engine should I do?

from what I understand though, it is harder to get someone to do a tune on a 2.2 over the 2.0/2.4. something with the PCM.
if you have a coupe, I would just drop the 2.0 in it and have a nice sleeper if power is the goal. you could easily get one off ebay, ive seen them fairly cheap.

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Old 06-11-2014, 03:45 PM   #4
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Default Re: Engine swap time! Which engine should I do?

I'd love to do the 2.0l LNF Turbo but from what I understand there is no option for auto gears on the PCM.

However as for the 2.0L Supercharged I wouldn't mind it, however the pricing is very different.

Good example I called around and found a yard with a 2.4 Engine (34k miles) and a 2.4 Tranny (19k miles) both out of a Ion for 950 shipped wiring harness and all (with warranty). That type of mileage with a 2.0L would be in the 2-3 grand range. In that case I'd be better to buy a cheap 2.4L and slap a turbo or supercharger on it.

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Old 06-11-2014, 05:10 PM   #5
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It's no harder to tune the 05 than the 06, they're the same engine and ecu. The lsj had no auto Trans.

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Old 06-11-2014, 07:02 PM   #6
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Default Re: Engine swap time! Which engine should I do?

I'm the one doing the l67 swap. I can tell you if you are having a shop do it then don't bother. Pretty much everything that touches the engine will need to be customized and custom costs $$$$. Stick to an ecotec would be my advice. How about a 2.2 with a lsj takeoff blower kit? Shouldn't be as much money as the entire lsj and still give you a big gain in power.

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Old 06-11-2014, 11:01 PM   #7
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The 2.2 can make more power than the 2.0. It takes building the engine, but it's common sense, bigger engine, more power.

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Old 06-12-2014, 08:04 AM   #8
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I have an experienced shop that is doing a swap for me.The question is what engine to get. . "
They should source the engine-and back it 6 months/6000 miles min.

If you source it and things don't work- all fingers will point at you. Customer supplied parts will always be suspect.

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Old 06-12-2014, 12:15 PM   #9
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Default Re: Engine swap time! Which engine should I do?

What sort of tuning is required to do the 2.4 intake manifold swap? I'd read that it's tricky doing a 2.4 intake on sub 2006. Maybe I could just stick with the 2.2L and do it that way?

Also what about an 2.2 LAP swap that the late model Cobalts used, I heard they pushed even more MPG out of those cars.

I'm trying to stick with reliable but also get good mpg and have options for power if I make the choice to let the mod bug bite me. If I have the option getting something like a 2.2 LAP and grabbing 2-3 MPG outta the swap wouldn't be a bad deal.

2006Ion2 - I'd thought so, I'd read that they didn't have the option at all. Although I thought I have seen cars that ran a 2.0L Turbo EcoTec that had autos as an option, can't recall which car had it though, pretty sure it was GM though. I'd love to see that as an option though, those things got 30+ MPG on the highway while still dipping into the high 13's stock with a good driver. Pretty good I'd say.

Sad to hear about the L67 being all custom, although I figured it would be. I did a lot with my L67, I had a MPS pulley on it and swaped between the 3.4 and 3.25 pulley (along with a number of other mid sized mods) when I was on the track. I only ran a 3.25 when I pumped TORCO in my tank to elimate (most) of my KR. I ended up running a 13.9 with my GT with a L67. Not bad for a groceery getter. I had all my mid mods taken care of but hadn't touched any of the higher end stuff (Cam, rockers, headers, intercooler) all of that stuff ran spendy for the L67 back in the day. I focused more on the PCM tune, downpipe, exhaust, swift kit, TB, headlight delete (at the track) and a Fender Wall Intake. I had a few more items but nothing I can recall at the moment.

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Old 06-12-2014, 12:33 PM   #10
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Default Re: Engine swap time! Which engine should I do?

The lap never came in a saturn. You needa saturn program for the engine/ecu for it to work. Afaik, the auto was in the hhr, I remember thinking "finally, an auto in a high performance small car".

For the last time, the 05 and 06 are the same. The 2.4 manifold isn't hard to do unless you want to try to get the 2.4 throttle body to work with it. The 2.2 can go from 140-1000hp on the stock block depending on your budget and desire to replace front tires. I think it was a modified 4t65e hd transmission gm used for high hp applications.

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Old 06-16-2014, 12:28 PM   #11
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Thanks 2006 -

So where does the main HP gain come from? It was my understanding that a 2.2 with a 2.4 manifold and TB would make very similar HP to a native 2.4. So does most of the power come from the manifold or the TB?

Also what about the 2.2 LAP Ecotech?

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Old 06-16-2014, 02:58 PM   #12
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The l61 can match, maybe even beat the le5's power without even going into the manifold or tb. A full exhaust, intake, and a tune will get you right there

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Old 06-16-2014, 06:29 PM   #13
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Sorry I meant the LAP that was offered in late model Coblats. They seemed to increased MPG by a nominal amount.

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Old 06-16-2014, 09:58 PM   #14
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Yes, there is only one lap. It never came in an ion, and therefore cannot be put in one.

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Old 07-10-2014, 10:36 AM   #15
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Well found out my 2.2 is harder to find used then a 2.4. It's pretty much 300 more for the same thing, plus I am doing the tranny at the same time.

They said I could get an engine and tranny shipped for $950 with 25k miles on it. This includes wiring harness and PCM. The only thing I would need to buy is the tranny computer since the tranny is different and I couldn't use the same ecm for the my 2.2 tranny as the 2.4 correct.

So it looks like it's going to be a full swap. So in theory if I have everything the 2.4 should just work since I'm swaping everything over?

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Old 07-22-2014, 02:26 PM   #16
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Just found out that my 2.2 tranny 4T45-E is the same as the 2.4 so it should just bolt right on if I swap everything out. Plus the computer will be the same for the tranny side for the shift points etc. Any last minute tips before I drop 1,700 for the labor and parts?

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Old 07-26-2014, 03:44 PM   #17
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I wouldn't do it. You can put a 2.2 Eco from any car into it with small modifications. Your in for a treat if you think a 2.4 will just swap right in.

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