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Old 01-12-2014, 09:42 AM   #1
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Default Suggestions on what to do next for my Saturn

it has about 203k miles. 98 sl2 manual. runs pretty well. I got it at 166k miles in april of 2012.

So far I've done the following:

5th gear swap, new struts, exhaust, changed both o2 sensors, gen 1 valve cover, new fuel filter, new brakes/rotors, hid the antenna, tinted the windows, new michelin tires and wheels, put in a sri, new ects, new soldered on ects connector, thermostat, waterpump, transmission mount, magnacor wires, put in some cheap speakers that came highly recommended on here

I'm running out of things I can think to do. i don't know why but my temp doesn't always read correctly, even with changing the ects stuff. sometimes its at 7/16, sometimes its maybe only a few millimeters above 1/4(needle not touching the line, but maybe at 5/16)- would like it to consistently read 7/16 but i don't know what else to try.

i work at a hotel and a guest there told me i should bore out my intake manifold, said you'd be surprised how much hp you can increase. said he has diamond tipped tools to do it.

overall the paint is good, but there are a few really bad scratches or areas where several scratches are- i heard a "good" paint job is expensive- i wonder if i could get the particular panels done, but then the paint might look too much better than the rest of the car

Thought about a new headunit for my radio. i have a casette player so I bought one of those tapes that has an aux cable at the end of it to connect to my cell phone.

thought about OEM car mats too

perhaps you all have some other suggestions or would do one thing before the other?

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Old 01-12-2014, 10:24 AM   #2
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Great job on keeping it in top form!

Are you using any oil? How about a MMO piston soak?

I would have a hard time finding something else to spend money on, but i have too many other hobbies. As soon as I free up capital, I buy something for either my cobra, or my RC airplanes.

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Old 01-12-2014, 11:13 AM   #3
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Great job on keeping it in top form!

Are you using any oil? How about a MMO piston soak?

I would have a hard time finding something else to spend money on, but i have too many other hobbies. As soon as I free up capital, I buy something for either my cobra, or my RC airplanes.
Thanks! Not using much oil. usually use M1-EP, but got a deal on some valvoline full synthetic so using that now. Was about 4oz low the other day after about 4k miles. Have done an mmo soak before, did chevron through the brake booster- both about 25k miles ago. cleaned the throttle body twice(once when I got it, the other about 10k miles ago)- tested my oil a few times, blackstone suggested going 10k miles on my next change. didn't test it last time but had a leak because i tightened my filter too much, so changed that oil after about 6k miles. Gonna go about 7500 on this valvoline and test it to see how it ages.

forgot to mention in the first post, that i have the fixed oriface pcv valve, and will change the clutch in another 20k miles or so based on shawnv's recommendation.

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Old 01-12-2014, 12:08 PM   #4
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You looking for more maintenance to do or fun things?

Might try changing the transmission fluid to Torque Drive or Transynd. I have a love/hate relationship with it. It didn't improve my shifting as much as I had hoped (still helped a little). This will also help prevent the lovely diff pin failure.

For fun stuff, you might consider putting on an early DOHC header, a geo storm throttle body, or other bolt-ons. If you feel more adventurous try the dual intake cam mod.

EDIT, looks like you already have most of the bolt-ons done.

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Old 01-12-2014, 12:38 PM   #5
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Nice job. Sounds like you have most of everything covered as of now. I would simply enjoy the car as it is for the time being. You have a good amount of work done so why not? Consider yourself lucky you don't consume oil and don't have any mechanical concerns. Bank the money you would spend on extras so you have a fund in case something unexpected comes up.

When I was younger I would mod and upgrade parts on my cars and motorcycles just for the sake of it. Now a days I have much less expendable cash so I generally only upgrade parts as needed. Whenever I change something now it is usually maintenance or repair but I try to buy the best parts I can afford at the time of service.

Maybe go for a new headunit with USB connection. You can have easily portable digital audio without bothering with discs. Or perhaps bluetooth since you use your phone as your music source.

As far as porting out the intake, it's not quite that simple. Yes you can port match the flange and bore the throttle body. This will certainly help but ideally for maximum performance you want the runners balanced if you port the runners as well and that is best done on a flow bench. Also you have to consider the runner length. The wider you make the ports, the more total volume of air you can move but the velocity will slow down and this can hurt the low end. Our manifolds were designed more for lower to mid rpm range power hence the longer smaller runners.

If you don't have one, you may want to consider a scan tool. With the work you have already done you seem to be hands on as well as a Saturn enthusiast (then again aren't we all or else we wouldn't be here?). While not as fun as modding, a scan tool is very useful for auto enthusiasts and DIY work.

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Old 01-13-2014, 02:02 AM   #6
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New Motor mount
Dogbone inserts (assuming you want it slightly stiffer, may or may not be to your liking)
Head Unit (Those tape adapters work fine, but can't deliver quality sound)
Suspension bushings (control arms, sway bars, rear stuff..)

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Old 01-13-2014, 01:46 PM   #7
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Speakers. Nothing to crazy, maybe some Cern Vegas H.E.D. units. Replace the paper speakers Saturn ran in the car. A head unit later will sound even better with good fresh speakers. You stock unit will sound better with them too.

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Old 01-13-2014, 03:18 PM   #8
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Dress up the engine interior? Clean it. Add a painted valve cover with matching wires.
Lower the suspension?
New rims?
Add a ricer exhaust?
Swap out the gauges?
Illuminate the interior in a new color?
Reupholster the seats.
Hang up a pair of fuzzy dice and add a nodding dog in the back window?

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Old 01-15-2014, 09:57 PM   #9
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I'd like to do the geostorm mod, but finding the right throttle body seems hard. i looked on LKQ(don't know if any of you have those nearby) but there were no geostorms. I wanted (i think) the 93 gsi. it had the biggest throttle plate. i don't know jack about wires though, i think you are supposed to splice wires etc etc to get it to work. i would love to do it though

dual intake cam mod is way over my knowledge level too. shawnv pretty much does all the hard things i've done to my car so far(5th gear swap, etc)- but i'd love to do the dual intake cam mod too

i've not only done the struts, i did an entire suspension overhaul, all the sway bars etc.

i think the motor mounts are good, was thinking of doing them but shawnv said he thought they looked good, no cracks, not a big gap where a pen would fit through it, etc

speakers have been done sufficiently. got those 20 dollar speakers from wallyworld that people on here recommended

head unit- would like to do this just affraid i would do that thing where it locks your stereo

idk why people like to paint their gen 1 valve covers. i think silver colored looks much better...goes good with my silver colored aem sri- guess its personal preference

rims i am set on for at least another 66k miles

swap out gauges would be cool. not all my lights behind the gauges work- a few times they have come on for a day or so and i love it, cause i can read them better at night, but thats been like 3 days out of almost 2 years, don't know how to see if there is a short or whatever

interior i don't really care about fwiw. perhaps patch a hole in my carpet on the drivers side, but it is under the floor mat. but i wouldn't mind nice OEM floor mats

porting out the intake and messing with the runners(which i don't even know what those are) sounds like one of those things i don't want some random "ase certified" mechanic doing, but rather someone professional, which sounds expensive

my preference if i were able to do all these:

1. geo storm throttle body
2. dual cam mod
3. head unit
4. porting intake
5. paint job
6. oem floor mats
6. gauge lights

honorable mention: trunk light bulb, the rubber gasket around the doors(rain doesn't get in, but a little bit of water gets through at the car wash)

between the suspension work, exhaust work, wheels/tires, and other stuff, i'm probably in for about 3800, so the other part of me says f it

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The throttle body wiring is real simple IIRC. If you acquire one we can work that out no problem. Dual intake cam mod isn't hard either. You are supposed to remove the head and grind a nub off, but for simplicity you take the camshaft to a machine shop and have the ring ground off instead. Properly resetting the timing may prove difficult without removing the timing chain cover, I haven't tried it (yet!).

Intake porting isn't hard to do. Pull one at the J/Y and use it (even if just for practice). You want to make the entire internal surface smooth, that is all. This is a cylinder head, but the same principles still apply.

Fixing gauge lighting is easy and cheap. Different Racing has a writeup for how to remove the cluster, and SuperBrightLeds has nice *bright* lights you can put in it.

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Old 01-15-2014, 11:03 PM   #11
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i just don't have the technical expertise, or tools to do this

i just bought a oem radio with equalizer buttons. probably a dumb purchase cause now i want the cd player with equalizer buttons(i don't use cds, but there is some cell phone mount thing that goes into the cd player that i want)

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Old 01-18-2014, 09:35 PM   #12
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Just get an aftermarket head unit. They sound a lot better, and like 99% of them have built in AUX jacks in the front (or Bluetooth even).

And you can also fit double DIN size units like this!

Would love something like this in my car!

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Old 06-30-2014, 09:19 PM   #13
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so since i've last bumped this, i've gotten a new clutch, got the amr front tower strut bar, fixed my cluster lights, and gotten an oem cassette radio with equalizer. the darn thing is missing most of the lights though...AND doesn't like my casette to aux adapter. even bought a cleaning tape, which did remove the word "clean" from the display

the cluster lights has been a to do for a few years now

easy to find oem car mats at the junkyard?

i saw a post on here once where someone put the back seat of an ion in our s series, or something like that. it looked nice

after all this i think all that could go would be the engine or timing chain

gonna put the energy suspension in it sooner or later too, need to hit up shawnv!

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i saw a post on here once where someone put the back seat of an ion in our s series, or something like that. it looked nice
Are you thinking of the SC rear into the SL? If I ever find a first gen SC with a gray interior, I plan on doing that. the center console in the back looks awesome

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^i am pretty sure it was a totally different car. maybe an ion or l200 or something. it looked nice. might only work on gen 3 though.

just got the energy suspension bushings in

my wish list is pretty much windshield, new oem stereo that works better than the one i got, floor mats that aren't in horrible shape, and paint job for passenger side front fender

lightweight flywheel, geo storm throttle body, cam mod will probably all never happen

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just got the energy suspension bushings in
Hey jhonky, which bushings did you replace?

Can you provide a comparison in ride experience?

Did/are you doing an alignment?

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Hey jhonky, which bushings did you replace?

Can you provide a comparison in ride experience?

Did/are you doing an alignment?

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In the waiting room right now, for the alignment.

I haven't had a chance to notice differences yet. I didn't replace all of them. 1 is a serious pita, the other was the control arm I think. I can't remember the exact names, shawnv did most of the work, he would know the exact names

I guess initially it feels like I have more power over the car. Like easier to get it to go where I want it, if that makes sense. I am sure there is some euphemism that if I heard would think aptly describes the increased handling

Total suspension overhaul + suspension bushings + amr strut mount bar + alignment = me happy

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If your phone is Android, get a Bluetooth OBDII adapter (find on Ebay or Amazon.com) then get the Torque Pro app ($5, https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...l.torque&hl=en). It's not a free app, but the plugins are free, and plentiful! This is something under $20 total (not including phone, obviously), and is really cool! It's useful too.

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Just get an aftermarket head unit. They sound a lot better, and like 99% of them have built in AUX jacks in the front (or Bluetooth even).

And you can also fit double DIN size units like this!

Would love something like this in my car!
HEY! just to warn you, I had a double din in mine for all of two days because it barely fits in there. So, it pushed the rear defroster button up about 3-4 mm. I hated how it wasn't flush so I went back to a single din.

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