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Old 04-17-2008, 06:55 PM   #1
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So I have a 94 Saturn SL2...

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Headunit : Jensen 9312 Flipout LCD headunit
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1 x Kenwood 1800W for the subs
1 x Alpine 50x4 or 100x2 for the speakers

Subs:
Two kenwood 12s 1000W each

Now, I don't have rear speakers. For one, I hate the way rear imaging sounds in a car as small as a saturn. And second, the subs hit so hard that I pretty much broke my two rears that I had in the back.

I just bought these :
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Alpine Type-R components. Now, I need to run the alpine amp to these front two speakers. Whats the best way to go about doing this including running new wire ( i would have to because the wires in the car are currently VERY VERY thin (probably 16 or 18 guage) and thats just not good for such highpower speakers. Also, how do I mount the crossovers and tweeters in the door?

If someone has done this before, some help would definitely be appreciated..

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Old 04-26-2008, 06:35 PM   #2
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So I have a 94 Saturn SL2...

I have

Headunit : Jensen 9312 Flipout LCD headunit
Amps:
1 x Kenwood 1800W for the subs
1 x Alpine 50x4 or 100x2 for the speakers

Subs:
Two kenwood 12s 1000W each

Now, I don't have rear speakers. For one, I hate the way rear imaging sounds in a car as small as a saturn. And second, the subs hit so hard that I pretty much broke my two rears that I had in the back.

I just bought these :
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-BaQCouF...x?i=500SPR17LS

Alpine Type-R components. Now, I need to run the alpine amp to these front two speakers. Whats the best way to go about doing this including running new wire ( i would have to because the wires in the car are currently VERY VERY thin (probably 16 or 18 guage) and thats just not good for such highpower speakers. Also, how do I mount the crossovers and tweeters in the door?

If someone has done this before, some help would definitely be appreciated..

Thanks
Well , since this has been rotting here for a while i'll take a stab at it.

First, mount the mids/highs amp in the trunk, running power (with an appropriate inline fuse) and ground as usual...Then run your remote wire from the remote termianl of your sub amp straight from there to your mids/highs amp...then 4-channel RCA's from your headunit will need to be ran aswell for the mids/highs amp. Now that that's wired up...

Take a look inside your door panel for room for your crossovers to be mounted inside...if they can, drill mounting holes and mount them...but it's more likely there wont be enough room and in this case you will probably want to pop off your dash-top panel that covers your dash...there will be plenty of space under there to mount multiple crossovers and they will be out of sight. Now, mount your crossovers under there (or in the doors if they fit)...run your speaker wire under the carpet/along the edges of the car under panels up front to the crossovers..

Then run wire from the appropriate terminals of the crossovers to their respective components...

In order to get the wire into the door unseen you will most likely need an old wire-hanger...cut it up so its about a foot and a half, straight, and with a small hook on one end..

take off the interior door panel...and find the boot going from the door to the interior...stick the hanger through the boot from the door to the interior, hook going first..

make a small slit in the insulation of your speaker wire about an inch from the end of the speaker wire and loop the hook through that slit...you can now pull the speaker wire through the boot and into the door panel area and proceed with installation...

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Old 04-26-2008, 06:43 PM   #3
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And i could pretty much garuntee you wouldnt break your rear speakers in the deck with those subs and that amp...
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:58 AM   #4
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And i could pretty much garuntee you wouldnt break your rear speakers in the deck with those subs and that amp...
Actually, I can pretty much guarantee you that you can. My sub box, unlike the one I saw that you have, is huge. It sits literally 1/2 an inch below the bottom of the speakers that I had in the back. When the subs would hit, the pressure built up in the trunk caused the rear speaker cones to travel up with such a force that it broke the coaxials...
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Actually, I can pretty much guarantee you that you can. My sub box, unlike the one I saw that you have, is huge. It sits literally 1/2 an inch below the bottom of the speakers that I had in the back. When the subs would hit, the pressure built up in the trunk caused the rear speaker cones to travel up with such a force that it broke the coaxials...
Speaker baffles will cure that. I use the ones by XTC.
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Old 04-29-2008, 02:55 PM   #6
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Baffles/some kind of enclosure for them would cure that...



and does your box look more like this?...in that case I pretty much understand...I havent had speakers in the back for a long time...but pretty soon there will be 3 pairs up front and a pair in the rear...but in an enclosure of their own. It just seems like most the pressure would go straight through the rear deck, there's open space right through the rear deck
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:28 PM   #7
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Damn son is that a 15" or 18" sub. I bet all you hear is bass for miles. Its sweet kinda excessive for me. Ya I blew one of my rear speakers when I used to listen to a lot of rap and turn the bass up. But now I built a little box to cover the exposed part of the speakers and mount my amps on so it doesnt affect them as much.
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Thanks and it's a 18" Fi BTL (fully loaded) being fed by a SoundStream XXX10000
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Baffles/some kind of enclosure for them would cure that...



and does your box look more like this?...in that case I pretty much understand...I havent had speakers in the back for a long time...but pretty soon there will be 3 pairs up front and a pair in the rear...but in an enclosure of their own. It just seems like most the pressure would go straight through the rear deck, there's open space right through the rear deck
im in awe.... that looks like raw power
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only 5400 rms, 550+ amps of current... hehe. Ive only scared a couple people out of my car
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Dude you must have changed out your alternator or have added a couple batteries back there.
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Very cool stuff, but, ........ I don't understand.

I am something of an audiophile (more home equipment than car). I like music and I like it loud sometimes. But, if your sub is moving so much air that it is damaging conventional speakers mounted in the back deck, then you are, with out a doubt, doing irreparable damage to your ears. Those ear drums are the reverse of speaker cones/drivers.

I like playing with stuff, but, you guys are really really going to look back some day and really wish you had taken better care of your ears.

Sorry to get preachy, but, ..... if you are anywhere near a sound system putting out that kind of sound pressure, then you going to pay a real and very unfortunate price. It would be a shame for someone who likes music and building sound systems to get 5 or 10 years down the road only to find out that they can't hear.
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I see where youre coming from, and most people take one look at my trunk and say the same thing...but if you drove around with me for a while youd see that I usually dont play music that loud, only sometimes do I really let loose...usually its at moderate levels just listening to music...classic rock and stuff like that...but then theres always a good rap and bass cd present just incase...and while testing I always wear protection (usually ear plugs and then ear muffs ontop of those)
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I see where youre coming from, and most people take one look at my trunk and say the same thing...but if you drove around with me for a while youd see that I usually dont play music that loud, only sometimes do I really let loose...usually its at moderate levels just listening to music...classic rock and stuff like that...but then theres always a good rap and bass cd present just incase...and while testing I always wear protection (usually ear plugs and then ear muffs ontop of those)
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Ya my dad used to have an 87 corrolla with 4 amps and 2 12's in the back and he told me dont be a dumbass 17 year old like he was and either wear ear plugs or keep it down. Hes not deaf but did damage some of his hearing because of it. My system isnt loud enough to be doing serious damage yet....
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Very cool stuff, but, ........ I don't understand.

I am something of an audiophile (more home equipment than car). I like music and I like it loud sometimes. But, if your sub is moving so much air that it is damaging conventional speakers mounted in the back deck, then you are, with out a doubt, doing irreparable damage to your ears. Those ear drums are the reverse of speaker cones/drivers.

I like playing with stuff, but, you guys are really really going to look back some day and really wish you had taken better care of your ears.

Sorry to get preachy, but, ..... if you are anywhere near a sound system putting out that kind of sound pressure, then you going to pay a real and very unfortunate price. It would be a shame for someone who likes music and building sound systems to get 5 or 10 years down the road only to find out that they can't hear.
I barely turn mine up either. All I am saying is that, because the box is so big, the pressure in the trunk builds up, especially when I'm testing/playing notes below 100HZ. At this point, it moves the cones of the speakers up and down really quickly and they break....

I don't let loose that much, but I like to be able to have headroom to blast when I wanna blast...
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Well , since this has been rotting here for a while i'll take a stab at it.

First, mount the mids/highs amp in the trunk, running power (with an appropriate inline fuse) and ground as usual...Then run your remote wire from the remote termianl of your sub amp straight from there to your mids/highs amp...then 4-channel RCA's from your headunit will need to be ran aswell for the mids/highs amp. Now that that's wired up...

Take a look inside your door panel for room for your crossovers to be mounted inside...if they can, drill mounting holes and mount them...but it's more likely there wont be enough room and in this case you will probably want to pop off your dash-top panel that covers your dash...there will be plenty of space under there to mount multiple crossovers and they will be out of sight. Now, mount your crossovers under there (or in the doors if they fit)...run your speaker wire under the carpet/along the edges of the car under panels up front to the crossovers..

Then run wire from the appropriate terminals of the crossovers to their respective components...

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make a small slit in the insulation of your speaker wire about an inch from the end of the speaker wire and loop the hook through that slit...you can now pull the speaker wire through the boot and into the door panel area and proceed with installation...

good luck
Hey, I left you a reputation point for this info. I have been looking for it! I was given a amp and three 8 inch subs, one in a box and two that I am going to try and get mounted to the rear shelf. I am looking to get some speakers for the front door as I type. I also have a box with two twelves that I need to shorten by about an inch, lengthwise in order to get it into the trunk. SO, with your info and what I have, I will be able to figure something out!

Again, thanks!

P.S., do I need to remove the door panels to access the front door speakers? Or can I just pop off the speaker covers?
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Doesn't look like the crossover design/size has changed much. Once you run the speaker wire up in to the door you should be able to mount the crossover under the armrest, in the portion not present in this picture.


I used velcro. I put the speakers in there several years ago, and the crossover never moved. That and the space there is such that the crossover had little room to move.
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Hey, I left you a reputation point for this info. I have been looking for it! I was given a amp and three 8 inch subs, one in a box and two that I am going to try and get mounted to the rear shelf. I am looking to get some speakers for the front door as I type. I also have a box with two twelves that I need to shorten by about an inch, lengthwise in order to get it into the trunk. SO, with your info and what I have, I will be able to figure something out!

Again, thanks!

P.S., do I need to remove the door panels to access the front door speakers? Or can I just pop off the speaker covers?
Thanks, and youre welcome...

As for the door locations, you'll have to remove the door panel if theyre like mine...once you get into this you'll be able to remove those doors in your sleep, but the door handle levers can be a pain sometimes
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