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Old 01-30-2019, 12:42 PM   #1
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I always like to see how our little cars hold up in accidents, and have been interested in seeing different accidents and damage ever since my rollover. These cars surprise me with how safe they are, and I wanted to start a thread for wrecked S-Series displaying that safety.
Here's the first one:
https://www.copart.com/lot/22933849
It looks like it held up pretty well, aside from the roof being removed (jaws of life?) But the front zone seemed to crumple well, and the door went outwards instead of into the driver compartment.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:23 PM   #2
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lol. These are not safe cars, especially by today's standards.

Ignore "crumpling" and focus on whether the cabin structure had been compromised or if the impact caused the firewall/frame to intrude into the foot wells.

At any rate, if you really wanted to protect the ones you loved, you wouldn't be carting them around in a turd.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:56 PM   #3
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lol. These are not safe cars, especially by today's standards.

Ignore "crumpling" and focus on whether the cabin structure had been compromised or if the impact caused the firewall/frame to intrude into the foot wells.

At any rate, if you really wanted to protect the ones you loved, you wouldn't be carting them around in a turd.
Agreed, I get kinda nervous driving my turd when the weather gets really dicey. No side air bags, no abs, just my wits, snow tires and some luck.

That said they are structurally sound. Safe enough for me yes.

But if I had to cart my kids around, it wouldn't be in a 20 year old Saturn, lol.
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It's been years since these vehicles were crash-tested, but I recall them getting 3 or 4 stars out of 5 in different tests by the Federal Gov't. Also observed rollover frequency was much lower than average for its years -- a crash type that's considered one of the worst you can have.

The link below has several crash test pictures and some ratings on the Test Details tab.

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...l-4-door-sedan

My 1997 SW2 has ABS, although advances in that area, vehicle stability control and side impact airbags means that newer cars have an edge -- although I wouldn't portray it as an unsafe design.

For you rustbelters, I'd worry more about subframe/monocoque shell integrity, since corrosion in front & rear members and sills compromise the safety cage design.

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Old 01-30-2019, 09:10 PM   #5
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I let my Saturn go in favor of a solid, safer Volvo sedan. We sold my wife's '06 Nissan Sentra and opted for a safer Kia Soul.

That said, I still own some unsafe cars. Geo trackers are really bad. My Mercedes was cutting edge in 1987, but probably only very marginally safer than the Saturn for the driver mostly due to weight and a heavy frame.

That CoPart car you posted is not something I would have wanted to be in. If you could duplicate the crash that caused that but in a modern Volvo or really any 2015 or newer car, it would look much better.
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I let my Saturn go in favor of a solid, safer Volvo sedan. We sold my wife's '06 Nissan Sentra and opted for a safer Kia Soul.

That said, I still own some unsafe cars. Geo trackers are really bad. My Mercedes was cutting edge in 1987, but probably only very marginally safer than the Saturn for the driver mostly due to weight and a heavy frame.

That CoPart car you posted is not something I would have wanted to be in. If you could duplicate the crash that caused that but in a modern Volvo or really any 2015 or newer car, it would look much better.
Wondering where you pulled that "2015" number from. Were 2014 cars unsafe and then suddenly 2015 all of the cars magically became the new standard for safety? Ehhh.... this is where forums get inaccurate with information.
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I was rammed in the driver's door by a Volvo six years ago. Demolished the door, caved in the post with the hinges, broke the fender and windshield . I had to go in and out the passenger side.
The Volvo was totaled, I drove my SW2 home. The body shop pulled the hinge post out, I slapped on a good door and fender (I happened to have a parts car), a new windshield and am still driving it.
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I rode motorcycles for 35 years. I estimate I rode in excess of 500,000 miles, and had 3 accidents - 2 with broken bones.


In comparison - the Saturn is a tank.


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Wondering where you pulled that "2015" number from. Were 2014 cars unsafe and then suddenly 2015 all of the cars magically became the new standard for safety? Ehhh.... this is where forums get inaccurate with information.
Way to take the noob approach with your response. Changes between 1-2 model years could be the difference between Poor/Marginal ratings changing to Good in one category.

Case in point, the 2013 Kia Soul had Poor Small Overlap [SOL] Ratings:
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...oor-wagon/2013

They didn't test SOL in 2014 possibly because they were developing countermeasures for their poor ratings.

The 2015 Kia Soul had Good SOL ratings for both passenger and driver sides:
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...oor-wagon/2015

Onlinebiker, any cager-type vehicle is safer than a bike. lol
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Volvo's have been Chinese, not Swedish, since around 2012. I've heard good things about it's parent company not messing with a good thing but still...China.

If you think ABS in the S-Series is going to save you from anything except actually stopping at the sign/light you're going to have a bad day. Same with TC, if it's "ON" you're not going anywhere when you actually need traction. The idea of both systems is good, the system actually put in the S-Series is pure junk.

I probably wouldn't have rolled a '97 SL2 over if it hadn't had ABS. No matter what, it was 100% my fault...but it was my first ABS car and I drove it as told "don't pump, just slam & hold". Fricken stupid idea and everyone that says it should be wacked with a wet pool noodle. The good thing was the only cuts I got were from the broken rear window I had just paid $500 to replace less than a week beforehand and all 4 doors still worked fine.
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Way to take the noob approach with your response. Changes between 1-2 model years could be the difference between Poor/Marginal ratings changing to Good in one category.

Case in point, the 2013 Kia Soul had Poor Small Overlap [SOL] Ratings:
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...oor-wagon/2013

They didn't test SOL in 2014 possibly because they were developing countermeasures for their poor ratings.

The 2015 Kia Soul had Good SOL ratings for both passenger and driver sides:
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...oor-wagon/2015

Onlinebiker, any cager-type vehicle is safer than a bike. lol
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I'm a mechanical engineer and I do consulting in accident reconstruction -- small overlap tests were intruduced around 2013, and it took a couple years for manufacturers to respond with changes, but by 2015 most had done so and vehicle safety was very much improved.

A similar improvement in safety occurred with the introduction of side crash testing.

As to anecdotes of "Well I got hit by a Volvo, and I drove away" -- great, I'm glad you were ok. The Volvo did the job it was designed to do and crushed to absorb energy and soften the impact to its driver (AND to soften the impact to YOU). I see files all the time where people survived bad crashes in very unsafe cars. Had they had the same wreck in something safer, however, they would have had much less injury.

As to the Chinese ownership, Volvo was owned by ford before that, which is arguably worse...
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