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Old 12-10-2008, 09:27 PM   #1
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Default 2008 Redline MANY, MANY ISSUES

First of all, I bought my new Saturn Sky Redline last February 2008. In April (2 months later), my daughter and her date were going to drive it to prom. All of the sudden it starts over heating and smoking and I smelled antifreeze...to make a long story short, I had to have it towed an hour away, and it had 3-THREE!!!! hose clamps loose. That was only the beginning of my problems. My father, who is a mechanic of 35 years drove it just after I got it and said the rear end had too much "play" in it and that it was making a high sound as you let off the gas. Again, we took it in to our Saturn dealer and they had to replace the whole rear end. It still sounds just as loud now. The latest problem started about a month ago.....when I go to turn, or hit an unlevel area I hear what sounds like a giant spring sound that makes a loud "boing" sound. I dont know what is getting bound up under there, but something isnt right. Also, I don't know if anyone else has had the turbo make the loud ticking type of sound, but mine is loud. The dealer gave me a big paper on how its "supposed" to do that, but I dont recall it being that loud when I bought it. I have just tried to keep on top of these things because I am beginning to think I bought a lemon. Everytime we take it in I am careful to get paperwork documenting the problem and what they have replaced. Also, the key fobs are cheap and break easy if you try to change out the battery. Hell, they cant even put a battery in there that lasts more than 6 months!!! I love it when it runs, but its an expensive car to be in the shop so much. I probably will stick with Toyotas....we've had 3 of them with no problems. GM's have way too many issues for me.

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Old 12-10-2008, 10:03 PM   #2
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Yeah cars with no soul or performance don't tend to have as many issues as cars with some power. Good luck finding something like the Sky at Toyota

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Old 12-10-2008, 11:21 PM   #3
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Another one of these who wants to blow toyota.

Here's an idea, go to a different dealer. People want to ***** and moan when it's more than likely the incompetence of the particular dealership.

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Old 12-11-2008, 08:10 AM   #4
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I probably will stick with Toyotas....we've had 3 of them with no problems. GM's have way too many issues for me.
Those problems are awful, but you do realize there are just as many Toyotas, Hondas, and the like that people buy every year and that are similarly problematic--especially recent Toyotas. It's understandable when you go through such a thing why you'd never want another of the same brand, but reality is different than emotion in this case.

You have at least the beginnings of a lemon/repurchase case, depending on the number of visits, ongoing issues, etc. You may need more repetition of any one or few things but it's possible, and still a shame you've had to go through any of this--most buyers of the same vehicle (certainly only a small handful are on this forum) have fine vehicles and are pleased. Just don't sign on the Koolaid line of other companies & brands as the only thing you'll ever be able to drive, problem free.

Shame, but it happens.

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Old 12-11-2008, 09:37 AM   #5
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...it had 3-THREE!!!! hose clamps loose. ....
That shouldn't happen. I too would have been POd.

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the rear end had too much "play" in it and that it was making a high sound as you let off the gas. Again, we took it in to our Saturn dealer and they had to replace the whole rear end. It still sounds just as loud now.....
That's too little preload on the pinion bearing allowing the pinion gear to move in and out of the ring gear. Some hypoid gears just make a little noise. A mild howl on decel is not all that uncommon and doesn't hurt anything.


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I hear what sounds like a giant spring sound that makes a loud "boing" sound. ...
Shouldn't be too hard for the service dept to figure that one out. The car uses coil-overs all around, so the spring only moves in compression and tension and has no radial movement like a strut would. Could be some binding in the sway bar.

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the turbo make the loud ticking type of sound, but mine is loud. The dealer gave me a big paper on how its "supposed" to do that, but I dont recall it being that loud when I bought it.
It's not the turbo. It's the high pressure fuel pump for the direct injection. It is normal. You hear it better depending on the environment.

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....I probably will stick with Toyotas....we've had 3 of them with no problems. GM's have way too many issues for me.
I'm sure you'd be much happier with Toyota. They're perfect. Every one ever built is still on the road today.

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Old 12-11-2008, 09:02 PM   #6
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Good luck finding something like the Sky at Toyota
Or find something better at Mazda.

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Old 12-12-2008, 01:02 AM   #7
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Or find something better at Mazda.
Like what? The miata or whatever it's called now? The styling is nowhere near the Sky's level.

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Old 12-12-2008, 10:30 AM   #8
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Like what? The miata or whatever it's called now? The styling is nowhere near the Sky's level.
styling, shmyling, who cares?

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Old 12-12-2008, 01:43 PM   #9
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My father, who is a mechanic of 35 years drove it just after I got it and said the rear end had too much "play" in it and that it was making a high sound as you let off the gas. Again, we took it in to our Saturn dealer and they had to replace the whole rear end. It still sounds just as loud now.
This "high sound as you let off the gas" sounds as if it is the normal pressure release that comes out of the blowoff valve. The turbocharger builds up pressure, and at certain points it needs to release. Letting off the gas usually does it on mine. Although I have found that I drive a certian way just to hear that pressure release sometimes.

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Also, I don't know if anyone else has had the turbo make the loud ticking type of sound, but mine is loud. The dealer gave me a big paper on how its "supposed" to do that, but I dont recall it being that loud when I bought it.
When I test drove a red line sky back in October 2007, it did that. My RL has always done that. Albeit it has gotten a little bit louder. It was as if one day i just heard it more than before. Although I do admit that, at least in my case, it might be more of a psychological factor now that I distinctly heard it and now can automatically notice it.

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Also, the key fobs are cheap and break easy if you try to change out the battery. Hell, they cant even put a battery in there that lasts more than 6 months!!! I love it when it runs, but its an expensive car to be in the shop so much. I probably will stick with Toyotas....we've had 3 of them with no problems. GM's have way too many issues for me.
I've had my car since November 1, 2007. My key fab is just running out of battery life. And I come and go a lot. So unless you enter/exit your car a lot more than any normal driver you probably got a cr@p battery. I've examined the casing and, yes, it looks like if someone were to bluntly try to force it open it would break. It looks almost like you have to know where the tabs are in order to be able to open it properly, so as not to break the tabs. Luckily, I have my spare key fab that has only been used maybe six times in it's life. You really only need to use one at a time anyway. So next time i go into the dealership, I'm going to have them fix it for me. The entire car is under bumper-to-bumper warranty remember, and the key fab is essentially part of the "factory supplied" car.

And yeah, maybe you did get a lemon, but to label all GM cars as having "way too many issues" just based on one bad experience is good thing to do. It's like saying you'll never eat another apple again, because you choked on a seed once when you were six. It's stereotyping the entire conglomerate based on one sample.

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Old 12-13-2008, 09:11 PM   #10
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The latest problem started about a month ago.....when I go to turn, or hit an unlevel area I hear what sounds like a giant spring sound that makes a loud "boing" sound. I dont know what is getting bound up under there, but something isnt right.
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Shouldn't be too hard for the service dept to figure that one out. The car uses coil-overs all around, so the spring only moves in compression and tension and has no radial movement like a strut would. Could be some binding in the sway bar.
Gerry's right. Cold weather (assuming) + plus horrible creaking noise = swaybar bushings. The dealer should swap them out for you.

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Old 12-13-2008, 09:48 PM   #11
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Like what? The miata or whatever it's called now? The styling is nowhere near the Sky's level.
the MX-5 Miata has been in production for 20 years. I'd take longevity and durability over styling

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Old 12-17-2008, 11:18 AM   #12
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The original post looks like a troll to me. Just somebody (1st and only) posting to say something negative about a Saturn, and to say that Toyota is better. You can get a "lemon" with any brand, and looking at Toyota's recent quality history - you have a higher probability of having problems with a Toyota than with your GM or Ford. Them's the facts, anything else is a biased opinion.

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Old 12-18-2008, 08:54 PM   #13
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My dad bought an LS in 2000 (first year of the L series, before they became the LS). He had lots of problems with the coolant system. The dealership tried to fix it numerous times, they were about to give him a new car even. Well, he finally discovered that the coolant full line was misleading. It said FULL making it seem that was the line. But, under it was an arrow that went down to ANOTHER line. So, the dealership kept overfilling it. That's Saturn of Puyallup, they've been great to us. So, just talk to the dealership, research the Lemon Law, and bring it up to them next problem.

Also, the fob batteries will die fairly quickly if they're cold... all batteries die quicker in low temperature.

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Old 01-01-2009, 03:28 PM   #14
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Stick with the car... I did and I had the some problems. 2000 mi rear end leaked like all of them did. I am on my second motor, computer and turbo on my 07 redline. After 7000 miles on it the third cyl went to crap and all the warnings came on went into reduced power mode. They had me a new motor in it in 3 days. Then i was driving to work and it went back into reduced power mode towed to dealer turned out it was the crank shaft sensor. But i am glad i stuck with it. I thought there for a while I had a lemon. Hopefully tomorrow or beginning of next week will have the new GM upgrade on it as I am waiting on the parts to come in.

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Old 03-31-2009, 10:53 AM   #15
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I have owned more cars than I can remember since I bought my first one 40 years ago. The most unreliable car I've ever owned was an MGA, but it was my first car, and I paid $500.00 for it so it was a "beater" before I got it. #2 on the list of bad cars was a Toyota. Blew a head gasket one week after I moved to California and left the Toyota with my wife in up state New York to finish out her teaching responsibilities. I begged the Toyota dealer to do a complete engine overhaul, but they refused insisting that all it needed was a head gasket at 35,000 miles. At 40,000 miles it started smoking. I pulled the engine and found the rings in #4 cylinder in multiple pieces. I rebuilt the engine at 40,000 miles, and unloaded the pos at 80,000 before it could fail again!

Some years later, the boss's secretary wanted to get a new car. She bought a Toyota because of their reputation. 6 months later, she was sorry! She had more problems with the Toyota than the old junker she traded in for it.

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