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Old 04-25-2018, 05:34 PM   #1
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Default Looking at 2000 SW Wagon w/101k miles for $2000

Hi! I'm new to Saturn and have found a 2000 Saturn SW with only 101k miles for $2000. I test drove it and except for the electric locks not working, it looked and drove great and the online reviews of the year/model make it seem like a real reliable car -- so, is this a good deal?

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Old 04-25-2018, 08:06 PM   #2
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Low miles, so could be worth $2000 in my opinion. For $2K I'd want to make sure there was no rust underneath. Do you live in the salt belt?

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Old 04-25-2018, 08:59 PM   #3
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Reprogramming the remote electric locks is a $100+ trip to a GM dealer and if it the switch in the car not functioning that is indicative of an electrical system failure. The lock actuators are no longer available and solving the electrical issue is a time and material charge at a $100+/hr rate. A simple blown fuse or failed door relay is also indicative of larger presently uncovered issues. Most of this can be fixed by a knowledgeable owner but if this is not in your skill set then I would run away for a 2000$ price tag.

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Old 04-25-2018, 09:17 PM   #4
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Thank you so much for letting me know! I was thinking that was just a minor issue, so thank you so much for letting me know the possible larger ramifications of the locks not working!

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Old 04-25-2018, 09:22 PM   #5
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Locks don't work with RKE or the inside switches, correct?

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Old 04-25-2018, 09:50 PM   #6
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I'm in Oregon. And the locks work on the inside. We took another look at it today and the interior and engine look really clean. It hadn't been started in months so they charged the battery and it started right up and drove good.

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Old 04-26-2018, 12:44 AM   #7
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if the lock/unlock buttons can do their thing for all the doors at once, the electricals are probably fine. the battery in the fob can go, or its circuit board can get corroded.

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Old 04-26-2018, 02:00 AM   #8
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That would be great if the problem is small like that! Is this car deal something I should jump on?

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Old 04-26-2018, 06:51 AM   #9
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Like others warned you. Check for rust. I am not sure what Oregon is like for rust. But look for extensive rust in the door sills, the front sub frame particularly the driver side, and the rear sub frame where the arms bolt up just behind the rear passenger doors.
If you see rust through in these areas walk away unless you know people who can do frame reconstruction

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Fixing the RKE is a potential 100+$ reprogramming cost. You will also need a new battery as once a battery is run completely down it is shot and continued use can also destroy the alternator. You are going to find that there is a hidden delayed-ignored maintenance bill that comes with this car and it is not going to be insignificant. That $2K price is likely too high for the condition.

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Call around for dealership pricing on programming the key fob. One place quoted $50, another $35 (both are Chevy dealers).

I wouldn't' doubt some places will charge an hour labor at $130 for the same work. Ran into the same experience with programming the cruise control - prices ran from $45-130

One question is - how are your mechanical skills? If you DIY, a clean, rust free car might be worth it (a little high to me, but prices vary from different areas)

Since you are new to the Saturn S series - great cars, but they are getting older. You should expect to put oil in the car on a regular basis (I add 3~12 oz of oil every weekend to my car, to keep the oil up at the Full level).

Rust, other drivers, and lack of oil/maintenance are what generally kills these cars.

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That would be great if the problem is small like that! Is this car deal something I should jump on?
Yes. These cars can run for extremely long periods of time, with proper care and maintenance. The key words here are proper care and maintenance.

There are going to be a few things to watch for, as any car has its faults:

Oil Consumption: Due to a flawed piston design, these engines are notorious oil burners. Keeping the oil level checked daily, and topped up to just above the FULL line is not difficult and synthetic oils may slow oil consumption.

Automatic Transmission: Due to the design of the valve body, lack of maintenance can result in the "Reverse Slam" from a worn boost pressure bore. It is about a 2-hour job to fix, and Special Forces(a member here) rebuilds the valve bodies and provides easy instructions on repairs. Even a novice mechanic can change this out and stave off a $1,500 repair bill.

Manual Transmission: The shifter bushings will eventually wear out. They are plastic and rubber. Symptoms will be a sloppy shifter and difficulty getting gears to engage. They aren't hard to replace and there are steel bushing replacements that virtually never wear out.

Rust: The engine cradle is known to rust under the driver's side lower control arm. There are 3-4 pieces of steel, and they are all welded at this spot, which allows dirt/moisture to collect in the minor warping caused by the welding process. Just check it visually and keep this area clean.

Intake Manifolds: For the 2000-2002 DOHC the plastic intake manifold has a failure at the spot where the coolant flows in from the heater core. It will cause a coolant leak and is difficult to replace, because of the location of this coolant line. Dorman makes a repair kit that permanently solves the problem.

On 2000-2002 SOHC there is an issue with improperly torqued intake manifold studs, which causes the intake gasket to leak at the #1 cylinder. Symptoms will include a high idle, followed with a P0301 code for cylinder misfire. Not fun to replace at all, but it can be done with patience and hand tools.

Electronics: The BCM has an estimated life span of about 5-7 years on most cars. Eventually, this system will fail and cause a "No Start" condition with either a solid or flashing "Security" light. It requires a trip to the dealership to repair as BCMs have to programmed to the PCM and ignition switch of the car. Expensive, but worth it because these cars can literally last a million miles.

Look up a member here, by the name of Highmile. He has a 1995 SL1, with 655,000+ miles. He is the original owner of the car, purchased in Sept. 1994, and takes care of his investment.

Overall, these cars are not very difficult to actually work on. I have over 20 years of mechanical experience of wrenching on cars. My biggest regret with car ownership: I should have bought my 1995 SC2 way earlier in my life.

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Go open the rear hatch. Pretend it's raining and you've got a cart full of groceries you want to toss in the back. If the seller's gotten the fob fixed, pretend it's still broken.

Don't ask questions now, just go try it...then ask questions...lol

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Go open the rear hatch. Pretend it's raining and you've got a cart full of groceries you want to toss in the back. If the seller's gotten the fob fixed, pretend it's still broken.

Don't ask questions now, just go try it...then ask questions...lol
I never understood your concern here. I get there is no handle but you just pop your key in, turn and it opens. The other option is to pull the release lever on the floor and of coarse the FOB button. What's the big deal?

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I never understood your concern here. I get there is no handle but you just pop your key in, turn and it opens. The other option is to pull the release lever on the floor and of coarse the FOB button.
different people are really peeved about different things

Me, I put groceries in the back seat. Weird, I know. Even with the minivan, I open the side sliding doors and put groceries there.
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the funny thing is, Highmile just recently passed another (former) member, Luke, who had around 650k miles. And there is a non-member out there who had 883k back when Highmile was at around 450k miles.
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I never understood your concern here. I get there is no handle but you just pop your key in, turn and it opens. The other option is to pull the release lever on the floor and of coarse the FOB button. What's the big deal?
Find one and try it out (with owners permission of course). Do the same test I suggested the OP do (sans key-fob as my '97 SW2 had manual locks). If you're at the driver door to unlock/open the hatch...isn't there ANOTHER door right there that's just as "complicated" to open yet easier to get to?

Sure the wagon adds a bit of height to the trunk (therefor cargo space), but the hatch should be as easy to open as a door...not as complicated as a trunk.

I'm not quite saying don't buy it, just pay attention to something I found highly annoying...

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You guys are AWESOME!!! Just the fact that so many of you responded with helpful advice gives me some insight into the Saturn cars -- just wish they hadn't closed ( Thank you so much for all your help!

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Find one and try it out (with owners permission of course). Do the same test I suggested the OP do (sans key-fob as my '97 SW2 had manual locks). If you're at the driver door to unlock/open the hatch...isn't there ANOTHER door right there that's just as "complicated" to open yet easier to get to?

Sure the wagon adds a bit of height to the trunk (therefor cargo space), but the hatch should be as easy to open as a door...not as complicated as a trunk.

I'm not quite saying don't buy it, just pay attention to something I found highly annoying...
I owned a 93 SW2 for 10 years (before the RKE option was offered) and drove my parents 2000 SW2 (with RKE) many times through their 14 years ownership. They owned the 93 before me from new. I'd say I'm pretty familiar with how it works.

I suppose if I came from a car that had a external button or handle and I didn't lock my car then I may feel different. If you lock the car and you don't have RKE then you have to use the key anyways or open the drivers door and use the handle.

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I don't have any mechanic skills, but under $2,000 to buy a good, used car, I don't have many clear options. So far the 2000 Saturn SW looks to be much better then most other cars at the same price range.

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If the previous owner maintained the car in a garage or carport and the left side of the engine cradle is not rusted you may be OK with this car.

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