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Old 05-05-2009, 11:43 PM   #1
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Doron Levin and Katie Merx from Bloomberg: Nissan, Japan's third-largest automaker, may join a venture with U.S. retailer Penske Automotive Group and General Motors' Saturn car brand, two people familiar with the matter said. The idea is that Nissan, its affiliate Renault or another automaker, may make Saturn-brand vehicles for a new venture that could be operated by Penske and distributed through Saturn's retail network, said the people, who asked not to be named because discussions are private.

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Old 05-06-2009, 01:03 AM   #2
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Default Re: Report: Nissan-Renault Said to Be Possible Partner with Penske in Saturn Venture

If it ends up being foreign, I ain't buying no matter what the product ends up being. It's an insult to the Saturn name. Saturn was about competing with the imports by producing a competitive American car, not becoming an import. Sorry, but that's just the way I feel.

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Old 05-06-2009, 01:51 AM   #3
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If it ends up being foreign, I ain't buying no matter what the product ends up being. It's an insult to the Saturn name. Saturn was about competing with the imports by producing a competitive American car, not becoming an import. Sorry, but that's just the way I feel.

Wat's so good about a pure American brand/car?
FYI, Saturn currently sells European cars,
ASTRA, Vue/Aura(made in US tough).

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Old 05-06-2009, 07:26 AM   #4
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Er - Nissan is no longer per se a "foreign" brand. Their cars are built here in the Southern USA. The Versa is really a rebadged Renault built here.

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Old 05-06-2009, 08:29 AM   #5
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Default Re: Report: Nissan-Renault Said to Be Possible Partner with Penske in Saturn Venture

The Versa shares a platform and components with Renault models, but it isn't a rebadged Renault (though it looks a lot like the Scénic, http://www.renaultretail.co.uk/vehicle/scenic1.aspx).

Also, both the Sentra and the Versa are made in Mexico and not in the US, though I think their Altima is.

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Old 05-06-2009, 08:45 AM   #6
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Wat's so good about a pure American brand/car?
FYI, Saturn currently sells European cars,
ASTRA, Vue/Aura(made in US tough).
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:36 PM   #7
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I mean designed as well as built in the US by a US based company.

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Old 05-06-2009, 12:41 PM   #8
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Er - Nissan is no longer per se a "foreign" brand. Their cars are built here in the Southern USA. The Versa is really a rebadged Renault built here.
"Nissan", by the way, means made-in-Japan, in Japanese.

Ni, in Japanese, means the sun. And is the same Ni as in Nippon, what Japanese calls their own country.

San, means manufacturing or producing.

So, together, Nissan means Japan made.

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Old 05-06-2009, 12:50 PM   #9
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I read the report as Penske selling cars made by Nissan or Renault or another maker in the US using Saturn's existing distribution network and support network.

Hmmm.... the thought of Penske selling Japanese cars under the guise of Saturn is intriguing. How would Penske promote Saturnsan? Wonder if that means we'll see Japanese cars in NASCAR? Imagine Nissan GT-R in Talladega!!!

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Old 05-06-2009, 01:41 PM   #10
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I read the report as Penske selling cars made by Nissan or Renault or another maker in the US using Saturn's existing distribution network and support network.

Hmmm.... the thought of Penske selling Japanese cars under the guise of Saturn is intriguing. How would Penske promote Saturnsan? Wonder if that means we'll see Japanese cars in NASCAR? Imagine Nissan GT-R in Talladega!!!
Doubtful...look at how long it was before Toyota entered into Nascar..just a mere 2 years ago...and along with the COT (car of tomorrow/car of today)...there is just too much testing that would need to be done before a Japanese car would be entered into NASCAR (Aside from Toyota)...but even then, a few years ago when the announcement was made that Toyota was going to enter NASCAR...alot of people were doing a double take....Toyota in NASCAR?? Look at how long it took them to get Toyota into the Truck series before the Sprint Series.

Prior to Toyota getting into NASCAR...NASCAR has been predominated by the Big 3; using various nameplates. Pontiac exited NASCAR a few years ago.

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Old 05-06-2009, 02:16 PM   #11
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"Nissan", by the way, means made-in-Japan, in Japanese.

Ni, in Japanese, means the sun. And is the same Ni as in Nippon, what Japanese calls their own country.

San, means manufacturing or producing.

So, together, Nissan means Japan made.

not sure where you put that together from, but Nissan translated actually means "Product of the Rising Sun". The Datsun name was originated for the American market and the Nissan name replaced it in 1982.

I can tell you guys that long before I was a SaturnFan, I was a strong Datsun/Nissan Fan. As I said, and with correction somebody said about the Versa, most ALL of the Nissans sold today in the US are US built.

US built Nissans are made in Smyrna Tennessee, Canton, Mississippi, Jacksonville, Florida (350Z was) and Decherd, Tennessee. (the Versa, not US made).

I can't wait to add the upcoming NISMO performance parts to my Astra, LOL.

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Old 05-06-2009, 02:32 PM   #12
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My beloved L300 had a lot of German (Opel) DNA.

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My beloved L300 had a lot of German (Opel) DNA.

I didn't mind that as much, because they re-engineered it to be a Saturn and Opel was still part of a US based company. And man, I do miss the dent resistant panels, which the L Series had.

My parents just got their first ding on their '08 Honda Accord. Actually, I don't know when it happened, but I just noticed it at their house. There was some paint left on the body from whatever hit it, which came off, but I can still see the ding from some angles. It's not real bad, but annoying. Of course, it's on the rear quarter panel, so I guess the L Series wouldn't have been any better in this particular case!

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Renault CEO Says GM Hasn't Asked Him To Discuss Saturn

It's so fun watching all of this play out. Talk about a fluid situation and using the media to help negotiate a deal.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...06-715707.html

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"Almost ALL of the Nissans sold today in the US are US built.
US built Nissans are made in Smyrna Tennessee, Canton, Mississippi, Jacksonville, Florida (350Z was) and Decherd, Tennessee. (the Versa, not US made). "


Also, remember that Nissan USA's headquarters is in Franklin, TN only about 15 miles away from the old Saturn plant in Spring Hill, TN. What a great opportunity to get that plant back from GM and start building Saturns there again!

PLUS, Nissan is on a big electric car kick. Tennessee Governor Bredesen wants to build charging stations in major Tennessee cities, including right here in Chattanooga. I think it would be a great idea to have Nissan build an all-electric Saturn in Tennessee and the USA.

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PLUS, Nissan is on a big electric car kick. Tennessee Governor Bredesen wants to build charging stations in major Tennessee cities, including right here in Chattanooga. I think it would be a great idea to have Nissan build an all-electric Saturn in Tennessee and the USA.
I think EVERYONE'S starting to hop on the electric car bandwagon.

even Ford is converting an old truck plant in Michigan to build electric focuses. IIRC there is/was supposed to be an electric Dodge something (forget if it's shadow or charger or something else) and a Jeep Wrangler hybrid.

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So does the Aura and Sky

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Wat's so good about a pure American brand/car?
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I've owned 2 Infiniti's. They were great cars. If Nissan USA makes Saturns, I'll give them a try.

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I mean designed as well as built in the US by a US based company.
That's a hard one to accomplish in today's world...

I'd buy another Saturn if they go back to US designed and built.

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I would be so happy to see Saturn's go on, even if owned by another company. My main question would be if the Saturn people would continue to design or would the Nissan people take over.

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