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Old 03-19-2007, 02:59 PM   #1
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Ok, so I've been searching on the other posts around here as far as airbox mods and so I removed the resonator,and drilled holes in the bottom of the box and in the tube that goes inside. From what I've been reading, alot of folks have said to have noticed increased throttle response, but all it seemed to do for me was lose some low end. It sounded better, but I don't care about that if I'm losing bottom end so I taped up the holes and got my torque back. I thought that you only lose bottom end with a CAI. Did I do something wrong or were my expectaions just incorrect. I was still thinking about getting a short ram intake later this year, but now I'm starting to wonder if I'll get similar results and be disappointed. I like my power down at low and mid range where I can use it in traffic and climbing hills so I don't know if I want to trade that off so that I can feel it at 80mph or whenever. BTW , it's a 99 DOHC 5-speed. So any other DOHC stick shift folks out there, could you tell me what your experience has been with an SRI ? Thanks.

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Old 03-19-2007, 03:22 PM   #2
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you need to reset your computer, unhook your ground wire from your negative battery terminal for about 15-30 min... that may help.

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Old 03-19-2007, 03:30 PM   #3
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As the former owner of a 93 SL2 I would rather stick with a CAI. Saturns are lightweight vehicles who dont need much torque to get them off the line so torque down low would really just cause more wheelspin. As for passing I think saturns are up to the task and would benefit from more torque down low but like I said I think they have enough potential as it is. Its real simple a CAI is the way to go, I'm tired of people debating if an SRI or a CAI is better. In fact, check out qksltwo.com, these guys just revamped the CAI that they produce for S-series saturns. There CAI's wreak of quality, and are dyno proven to provide maximum performance. Dont settle for anything less.

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Old 03-19-2007, 04:26 PM   #4
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If there is a loss an opened up stock box wouldn't cause a large loss. Even the loss that could occur with a CAI would be so small you couldn't "feel" it. The increase of power up high is slightly feelable and that may have you think that you have lost power down low.

Open the box back up and reset your computer.

I wouldn't do a SRI and would go CAI instead. I'm running an AEM, I like it an think it was worth the price. Many people get scared over the idea of possibly hydrolocking their engine, but it is largely unfounded. I have had a CAI for over 4 years and haven't had a single time where my engine was in danger. You don't want to be stupid with a CAI, but don't let people make you think that they are all that dangous. I say go CAI and watch where you drive.

Also AEM sells a bypass valve for their CAI. They suck. They are prone to craking and from all accounts I've seen can steal as much as 2HP.

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Old 03-19-2007, 07:48 PM   #5
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If there is a loss an opened up stock box wouldn't cause a large loss. Even the loss that could occur with a CAI would be so small you couldn't "feel" it. The increase of power up high is slightly feelable and that may have you think that you have lost power down low.

Open the box back up and reset your computer.

I wouldn't do a SRI and would go CAI instead. I'm running an AEM, I like it an think it was worth the price. Many people get scared over the idea of possibly hydrolocking their engine, but it is largely unfounded. I have had a CAI for over 4 years and haven't had a single time where my engine was in danger. You don't want to be stupid with a CAI, but don't let people make you think that they are all that dangous. I say go CAI and watch where you drive.

Also AEM sells a bypass valve for their CAI. They suck. They are prone to craking and from all accounts I've seen can steal as much as 2HP.
yeah well i live in florida, not the desert in new mexico.

so i personally know people who have blown their engine hydro locking.

if u are worried about loosing low end then get a sri and not a cai cuz even AEM's dyno will show u that when the cai is bellow 4500 rpm u have less power than stock, and that power only goes up when u are above that. the sri gives u more power though the entire band.

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Old 03-19-2007, 08:13 PM   #6
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I just installed a SRI on my car last week and i have noticed just a little bit of a loss in low end, but a gain in mid and high end. I also has a nice agressive sound to it

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Old 03-19-2007, 08:47 PM   #7
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stop fooling around with the airbox and resonator and get a short ram instead. here are some dyno results from the AEM SRS
http://www.aempower.com/images/products/22631_hp.pdf
http://www.aempower.com/images/products/22631_tq.pdf

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Old 03-19-2007, 10:52 PM   #8
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yeah well i live in florida, not the desert in new mexico.

so i personally know people who have blown their engine hydro locking.

if u are worried about loosing low end then get a sri and not a cai cuz even AEM's dyno will show u that when the cai is bellow 4500 rpm u have less power than stock, and that power only goes up when u are above that. the sri gives u more power though the entire band.
Haven't spent much time in the desert have we?

We have a thing called monsoon season and our soil doesn't hold water well, both of those add up to streets that become rivers. I plan my route on those days to insure I stay away from flooded intersections and I've even posponed my trips home from work to be safe. We don't get a lot of water year round but to use a common saying, when it rains it pours. New Mexico is technicly a desert, but we aren't Arizona.

I have known people who have hydrolocked an engine too, but in all fairness they aren't too bright. I've yet to hear of any Saturn owner hydrolock an engine, it is so uncommon it isn't worth worrying about.

The intake is still quiet a ways above the ground. You are talking deap water. You would have to submerge the better half of your bumper to get the thing underwater.

AEMs dyno sheet shows a loss, Ok. But you have no information about that dyno. You don't know if that is an average or if it is staticly significant. You don't know if it was repeatable. All you have is a graph. One graph without information on how the data was captured isn't enough to make a call. I've seen the same car run multiple tests at running tempature and produce number that were 2 to 3 off. We aren't talking about much more than that on the AEM graph. In fact their graph for the 2000+ showed no loss at lower RPMs if I remember right.

My main point is that the loss (if it happens) is so small you won't really miss it unless you are trying to miss it. A butt dyno is a bad gauge. If you are expecting at loss you will feel one. The increase of power on the high end can make you feel like you lost on the low end.

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Old 03-20-2007, 12:33 AM   #9
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Thanks for all of your input, I think I'm going to reset the computer on my next day off and see how it goes. Also, Mrs Saturn was mentioning the wheelspin which I know to be common with other Saturns, but for some reason, my car just doesn't do it. On one hand, maybe it means it's not making as much power but on a good note, I probably don't have to worry about the diff pin as much. But then again, I read where LoSaturn had 3 different Saturns blow it just driving in traffic so go figure.

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Thanks for all of your input, I think I'm going to reset the computer on my next day off and see how it goes. Also, Mrs Saturn was mentioning the wheelspin which I know to be common with other Saturns, but for some reason, my car just doesn't do it. On one hand, maybe it means it's not making as much power but on a good note, I probably don't have to worry about the diff pin as much. But then again, I read where LoSaturn had 3 different Saturns blow it just driving in traffic so go figure.
well if ur not getting wheel spin then i bet ur cars an auto? right? if so then u dont have to worry about the diff pin either lol

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Ok, so I've been searching on the other posts around here as far as airbox mods and so I removed the resonator,and drilled holes in the bottom of the box and in the tube that goes inside. From what I've been reading, alot of folks have said to have noticed increased throttle response, but all it seemed to do for me was lose some low end. It sounded better, but I don't care about that if I'm losing bottom end so I taped up the holes and got my torque back. I thought that you only lose bottom end with a CAI. Did I do something wrong or were my expectaions just incorrect. I was still thinking about getting a short ram intake later this year, but now I'm starting to wonder if I'll get similar results and be disappointed. I like my power down at low and mid range where I can use it in traffic and climbing hills so I don't know if I want to trade that off so that I can feel it at 80mph or whenever. BTW , it's a 99 DOHC 5-speed. So any other DOHC stick shift folks out there, could you tell me what your experience has been with an SRI ? Thanks.
i feel you're gonna have this problem with anything but the stock intake. you lose a little low end torque when you increase the air flow. the engine will come alive once you get over 4000 rpm, tho...


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i feel you're gonna have this problem with anything but the stock intake. you lose a little low end torque when you increase the air flow. the engine will come alive once you get over 4000 rpm, tho...


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well if ur not getting wheel spin then i bet ur cars an auto? right? if so then u dont have to worry about the diff pin either lol

btw cloud....

river streets whatever, every time it rains in tampa people are trapped in their office buildings lol. and thats not an exaggeration... tampa blows!
Most people doen't live in Tampa. If that is what happens where you live then yeah, use a SRI. But if you don't deal with that, then don't sweat it. I would bet that only a very small portion of the US has weather that would cause issues for a person with a CAI and a brain.

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Most people doen't live in Tampa. If that is what happens where you live then yeah, use a SRI. But if you don't deal with that, then don't sweat it. I would bet that only a very small portion of the US has weather that would cause issues for a person with a CAI and a brain.
im about an hour from tampa so its not quite that bad but its still pretty bad, florida as a hole has a water table of 0 meaning that the ground is already saturated with water and cant take anymore. for that reason we cant even have basements for 2 reasons, one is that water would just seep through the walls, and the other (i **** u not) the pressure will literally push the house up out of the ground.

but still when it rains heavy we have standing watter on the roads where i am, a couple years ago we had 4 huricanes have their eye pass over us and most the lakes (there 100 in our city limits) had swallowed the roads surrounding them.

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