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Old 03-14-2019, 07:02 PM   #21
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Default Re: LSJ Throttle Body Swap w LE5 Throttlebody Adapter Plate

With several years passing since your original post, you have a history on this mod. Care to share before and after results like any time trials (0-60 mph/96.5 kph?), fuel mileage, etc?

Its also a good thing not sticking a turbo or supercharger on without extensive research. As you may know (or not), anytime anyone slaps on a turbo or supercharger without extensive research on understanding the difference between naturally aspirated and forced induction usually blows up their engine. At the least, lean out fuel mixtures once positive boost is created, resulting in melting pistons from lack of serious tuning. With Saturns, stock pcm/ecm modules cannot be tuned so a piggyback module is needed along with at least one other sensor. Redlines(?) with stock supercharger comes tuned but not everything is spelled out. In the tuned ecm, a two or three bar map sensor is needed to measure positive pressure when a turbo or super charger generates boost. Normally aspirated engines suck air all the time so a vacuum is always present and the stock map sensor only measures one bar. Attempting to add a super or turbo charger without upgrading the ecm and map sensor guarantees a blown engine or at least melting pistons from leaned out fuel mixtures. In EFI systems, electronic components are the keys to mods - ecm tuning (if possible) along with a different map sensor to tell the ecm the change from vacuum to boost so the ecm knows when to push more fuel in to adjust for the greater volume of air forced into the cylinders. No one has to accept anything I write. Just read specs of any stock engine with boost.

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Old 03-14-2019, 07:45 PM   #22
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Default Re: LSJ Throttle Body Swap w LE5 Throttlebody Adapter Plate

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With several years passing since your original post, you have a history on this mod. Care to share before and after results like any time trials (0-60 mph/96.5 kph?), fuel mileage, etc?

Its also a good thing not sticking a turbo or supercharger on without extensive research. As you may know (or not), anytime anyone slaps on a turbo or supercharger without extensive research on understanding the difference between naturally aspirated and forced induction usually blows up their engine. At the least, lean out fuel mixtures once positive boost is created, resulting in melting pistons from lack of serious tuning. With Saturns, stock pcm/ecm modules cannot be tuned so a piggyback module is needed along with at least one other sensor. Redlines(?) with stock supercharger comes tuned but not everything is spelled out. In the tuned ecm, a two or three bar map sensor is needed to measure positive pressure when a turbo or super charger generates boost. Normally aspirated engines suck air all the time so a vacuum is always present and the stock map sensor only measures one bar. Attempting to add a super or turbo charger without upgrading the ecm and map sensor guarantees a blown engine or at least melting pistons from leaned out fuel mixtures. In EFI systems, electronic components are the keys to mods - ecm tuning (if possible) along with a different map sensor to tell the ecm the change from vacuum to boost so the ecm knows when to push more fuel in to adjust for the greater volume of air forced into the cylinders. No one has to accept anything I write. Just read specs of any stock engine with boost.
I agree 100%!!! Plus, you will never get better fuel millage then a "Naturally Aspirated" engine in my opinion and experience! Hi Five!
Agree again on boosting, you "must" upgrade the internal parts if you plan on doing so, as your engine will not last more then that so call Saturday Evening Drive or Late Friday Spin .... LoL!

I did not mention but I do have that Jet Mass Air Flow Sensor.

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Old 03-14-2019, 08:08 PM   #23
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With several years passing since your original post, you have a history on this mod. Care to share before and after results like any time trials (0-60 mph/96.5 kph?), fuel mileage, etc?

Its also a good thing not sticking a turbo or supercharger on without extensive research. As you may know (or not), anytime anyone slaps on a turbo or supercharger without extensive research on understanding the difference between naturally aspirated and forced induction usually blows up their engine. At the least, lean out fuel mixtures once positive boost is created, resulting in melting pistons from lack of serious tuning. With Saturns, stock pcm/ecm modules cannot be tuned so a piggyback module is needed along with at least one other sensor. Redlines(?) with stock supercharger comes tuned but not everything is spelled out. In the tuned ecm, a two or three bar map sensor is needed to measure positive pressure when a turbo or super charger generates boost. Normally aspirated engines suck air all the time so a vacuum is always present and the stock map sensor only measures one bar. Attempting to add a super or turbo charger without upgrading the ecm and map sensor guarantees a blown engine or at least melting pistons from leaned out fuel mixtures. In EFI systems, electronic components are the keys to mods - ecm tuning (if possible) along with a different map sensor to tell the ecm the change from vacuum to boost so the ecm knows when to push more fuel in to adjust for the greater volume of air forced into the cylinders. No one has to accept anything I write. Just read specs of any stock engine with boost.
The best fuel millage I will tell you this summer. The most I ever did is up to 800 Km on full gaz tank. That is driving like an absolute granny all the way.

Acceleration I will tell you in two days or so. The car needs oil change and get the Rechargable Air Filter Fully Clean! Its gonna be ripping pave even if I have Winter Tires On!!!

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