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Old 07-03-2019, 08:56 PM   #221
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Hmm, so how much of the 2 quarts of circulating oil to you figure is still in the process of draining (ie not in the oil pan) when you turn the engine off, fuel up and then measure using the dipstick?
When it is truly hot as you can see not much. The 3.8 and 4.2LJag XK engine dip stick informed you to wait 1 minute for drain back and it is also a DOHC engine. Most of the DOHC engines drain down rapidly. It is the condition of the oil level when the engine is running and the amount of oil in contact with the pan surface and the engine RPM as that determines the actual circulating flow. Some of the oil heat is also dissipated into the coolant.
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I'll answer my own question.

First photo is a cold engine measure, second photo is immediately after shutdown and the last photo is after 5 minutes. Yes, I'm due for an oil change; this has about 7000 km on it.
I've noticed it takes awhile for the oil to get back to the pan on the LLO...Although part of my trouble in getting a good reading is that I have hard time seeing new oil on the dip stick. Before I changed the oil, I probably wasn't letting it sit long enough and I was assuming massive oil consumption because the level on the stick was low, and the blue smoke at idle. Now that I've run it a bit, I don't have the blue smoke.
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When it is truly hot as you can see not much. The 3.8 and 4.2LJag XK engine dip stick informed you to wait 1 minute for drain back and it is also a DOHC engine. Most of the DOHC engines drain down rapidly. It is the condition of the oil level when the engine is running and the amount of oil in contact with the pan surface and the engine RPM as that determines the actual circulating flow. Some of the oil heat is also dissipated into the coolant.
In the first photo, I had topped up the oil in the morning to the top of the hash marks with a hot engine and parked it while at work. That difference was about 9 oz.

In my 2nd and 3rd photos this was after the engine was at operating temperature and had been for about 20+ minutes in 82F ambient temperatures. I'd say it was truly hot and that there is considerable difference at ~15-18 oz swing.
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Depending on exactly which type/brand of oil you are using the complete drain down can take 6-8 hours from a fully warmed up engine. Fully warmed up requires about 30 minutes at 45-60 mph. Drain down takes longer if the engine is not fully warmed up.
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So before I sold the 2001 SL1 10th Anniversary clone I pulled the block heater from it thinking I could use it on the 99 SL2. I haven't been able to find one over the past 3 years of ownership. I was surprised that it wouldn't fit; the block is totally different in that area from 99 to 2001. Huh!

Anybody need a block heater for their GEN3 (2000-2002)?
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So before I sold the 2001 SL1 10th Anniversary clone I pulled the block heater from it thinking I could use it on the 99 SL2. I haven't been able to find one over the past 3 years of ownership. I was surprised that it wouldn't fit; the block is totally different in that area from 99 to 2001. Huh!

Anybody need a block heater for their GEN3 (2000-2002)?
Alright, I can't believe nobody called me out on my comment regarding the block heater. The block heater is the same 98-2002 for all engines. As it turns out I was attempting to install it upside down. It's in now and ready for winter.

On another note, I acquired some stock hubcaps this summer for use on my winter wheels. When I tried to install them this past weekend the lug nut caps that hold the hubcaps on came nowhere close to threading onto the external lug nut threads. It appears that the steel wheels I bought a couple years ago have a deeper "dish" to them. Does anyone know if there are longer caps that would accommodate for this? Any other ideas to make this work?
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Wait? So does that mean your going to keep the block heater?? Danm the bad luck!! Just kidding!! LOL! Glad you got it sorted out!
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So I did this on the weekend to the 99 SL2.

I often wondered through the years of seeing S Series for sale that were missing the kick panel by the drivers foot .... "how and the heck does someone manage to misplace this piece of trim! Weird!"

Now I know! The hooks break off the hook and loop fastener and the panel keeps falling off. It's freakin annoying!

I drilled an appropriate sized hole in the kick panel, removed the fastener from the body side and inserted a lower fascia body panel pin to hold it in place. You have to orient the pin correctly as the hole on the body side is rectangular. You can actually rotate the pin to remove the panel rather then pulling the center plunger.

Problem solved!

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...The hooks break off the hook and loop fastener and the panel keeps falling off. It's freakin annoying!...

I took the easier way out -

Since my forte is sewing, I just replaced the original velcro with an Industrial Strength version by gluing it in place since I was unable to run the kick panel through my Singer.
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So in a coronavirus induced state of boredom, I read half my '98 thread and all of this one. I have the same rattle as you documented and I'll be fixing it. Thanks!

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Since my forte is sewing, I just replaced the original velcro with an Industrial Strength version by gluing it in place since I was unable to run the kick panel through my Singer.
I bet I could sew it with my 1928 Singer!
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I bet I could sew it with my 1928 Singer!
That would be interesting to try as it is a 'leather' machine and far heavier duty than my 1952 Singer 301A.

At least you are easily able to sew full grain leather seat covers with piping for your Saturn.
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