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Old 08-01-2015, 01:09 PM   #61
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The lifters are bleeding down as they are well worn. Oil flow to the head is restricted so as to not starve the bearings. I would go shopping at the pick and pull for the entire assembly off a very low mileage clean engine. Those are roller followers with a hydraulic insert and they wear out along with shafts and rockers.

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Old 08-12-2015, 01:46 PM   #62
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I didn't realize you replied......ill look i to it. I also looked and unplugging a injector one at a time to hear if there is a difference. Sadly I haven't figured out how to unclip them yet. They are different from the injectors on my old 96 and the 98 spare motor I have.

And 216 miles of local driving and tank mileage was 40mpg all of it was after the exhaust leak repair. This coming work stretch will be interesting.

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Old 08-12-2015, 01:50 PM   #63
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There is a latch you have to push or pull to get them to unplug.

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Old 08-12-2015, 02:31 PM   #64
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There is a latch you have to push or pull to get them to unplug.
The blue thing......correct? I haven't figured out how to manipulate it yet. And next time it will be on a cold engine to figure it out. Darn little coolant recirc line.......

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Yes, it is blue or green. This shows a pix of the thing: http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/uscar...w/lock-surplus

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Old 08-31-2015, 11:02 PM   #66
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I couldn't stand it and changed the oil yesterday at 4800 miles. I added 1qt in that duration. I did not reset the oil minder, I still want to see how far it would have gone before the change oil light came on.

Oil still had the milky tint to it and a darker brown. Not black. I put pennzoil platinum in this time. Last was their Ultra. No additives in this oil. Strait up. But still putting 4oz of acetone in every fill up.

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I couldn't stand it and changed the oil yesterday at 4800 miles. I added 1qt in that duration. I did not reset the oil minder, I still want to see how far it would have gone before the change oil light came on.

Oil still had the milky tint to it and a darker brown. Not black. I put pennzoil platinum in this time. Last was their Ultra. No additives in this oil. Strait up. But still putting 4oz of acetone in every fill up.
I'd guess you would end up setting the OLM change notice towards the later end of the scale for what S Series owners observe. Mostly longer trips, low revs, both of which should contribute to stable oil temps in the right ranges.

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Old 09-15-2015, 08:27 PM   #68
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So, the oil minder went on at 5400 miles. Not too surprised.

I finally pulled the valve cover to look at rattle and clatter at startup. There is a rattle noise coming from under one of the baffling plates. Is that what I hear? As for the clatter at startup. Cylinders 2 and 3 the exhaust rockers I can move 1/16 inch off the valve stem. I did not check all of them.

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Sounds like you have a couple of dead hydraulic adjusters or bad roller bearings.

This was somewhat of a shot in the dark and in the end was not a big success. Might have been the cleaning. I soak the parts in Berryman chem dip ( http://www.berrymanproducts.com/prod...parts-cleaner/ ) for 24-36 hours until all the gunk comes off and also soak them in Piston Clean. http://www.orisonmarketing.com/pistonkleen.html First chem dip and 2nd piston clean.

Success is a time consuming process.
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Should not be lifting off the valve stem.

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Old 09-15-2015, 09:36 PM   #70
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[QUOTE=OldNuc;2158513]Sounds like you have a couple of dead hydraulic adjusters or bad roller bearings.

This was somewhat of a shot in the dark and in the end was not a big success. Might have been the cleaning. I soak the parts in Berryman chem dip ( http://www.berrymanproducts.com/prod...parts-cleaner/ ) for 24-36 hours until all the gunk comes off and also soak them in Piston Clean. http://www.orisonmarketing.com/pistonkleen.html First chem dip and 2nd piston clean.

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Should not be lifting off the valve stem.[/QUOTE

Yes, engine was not off more than 40 min and the lifters were soft already. I have the head from my 96. I may take the entire valve train off and soak, clean, etc and see what happens.

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Read that thread as the actual lifter comes out of the cam follower roller assembly. It is the hydraulic lifter than has to come apart for cleaning. Having a spare assembly makes this job much easier. You need both cleaning liquids as the crud is complex and neither one will get all off.

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Old 09-16-2015, 05:23 AM   #72
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Read that thread as the actual lifter comes out of the cam follower roller assembly. It is the hydraulic lifter than has to come apart for cleaning. Having a spare assembly makes this job much easier. You need both cleaning liquids as the crud is complex and neither one will get all off.
Ok, I will look at threads.

Life through better use of chemicals. I'm also going to put in one of my other valve covers to see if the rattle goes away. There seems to be something under the baffle for the PCV.

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Those baffles do come loose and rattle. All of those lifters should pump up after a start even if the check ball is stuck.

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My lifters don't make any noise after startup. It's just they bleed down right away it seams.

I pulled the shafts, rockers, and roller lifters from my spare head. The lifters were still solid after sitting at least 3 years. Time for cleaning.

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They do tend to do that when they fill-up with goo.

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The rockers and lifters are soaking in gas for now. I hope the roller bearings don't fall out of the rocker arms. The shafts are smooth where the rockers were.

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They should be fine. It is the follower-lifter that usually falls apart.

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Well 1 worked ...

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Yesterday I cleaned the rocker shafts from the old 96 head.

Today I decided to take two lifters to work and see if I could get them apart.
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