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Old 02-14-2007, 11:08 AM   #81
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Buick may or may not get a Zeta, but I think it's likely it will, which would be aimed directly at the 300.
A Buick aimed directly at the Chrysler 300? No....

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Old 02-14-2007, 12:25 PM   #82
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Lets see, what do all the cars you mentioned have in common?

Bonneville= GONE
Trans AM = GONE
Transport = GONE Replacement (Montana 13.5k last year)
GTO GONE = after last year. 3 still at one of my local dealers as of last week.

I don't want the same fate for the G8 or the Aura. It doesn't matter whether I purchase one of these or not, I want to see these car around to give GM a base from which to build from.

Price these two right and they will be around for awhile. Overprice these two and I will be back posting

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You said a $30K Pontiac would never sell, I said that some had, end of debate. It doesn't matter that they don't sell them anymore, it's that they did sell. As for the Bonneville, discontinued to bring the G8; the Montana - GM doesn't make mini-vans anymore; the 20th Anniversary Trans Am was a limited edition; only 18K GTO's were brought over each year and it was never intended to be a sales leader, but yes, they did sell quite a few of them. So, by refuting my list, what was your point? Did those cars sell? Yes. That was my issue with your post. The average retail price of a car is now just below $30K - compacts are the new mid-size, price wise - so if this car straddles the $30K line -$25K-$35K - it'll sell just fine. Again, I don't think they are looking for the G8 to knock the Camry off the top of the pile, I don't know why everyone feels that all cars have to outsell every other car to be considered a success. Did they sell enough to make a profit? If so, then the car is a success. Did they sell enough to pay off the investment in the model or platform? If so, then the car was a success. What's with all the hating here?

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Old 02-14-2007, 12:35 PM   #83
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A Buick aimed directly at the Chrysler 300? No....

The Pontiac is closer to the 300.
I'm sure Buick and Pontiac would be the same playing field as the Chrysler.

Loaded up a 300c could easily sell for the same price as a Cadillac CTS.

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Old 02-14-2007, 02:28 PM   #84
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Loaded up a 300c could easily sell for the same price as a Cadillac CTS.
There's no way a $30K Chrysler/Dodge/Buick/Honda/Toyota/Hyundai/VW/truck/SUV/ will ever sell.....

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Old 02-14-2007, 02:29 PM   #85
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A Buick aimed directly at the Chrysler 300? No....

The Pontiac is closer to the 300.
Chrysler is a near luxury, or low luxury line. So is Buick. Pontiac is supposed to be sports cars, much like Dodge. But with Chrysler not having a Plymouth for the volume sales, Dodge is doing double duty.

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You said a $30K Pontiac would never sell, I said that some had, end of debate. It doesn't matter that they don't sell them anymore, it's that they did sell. As for the Bonneville, discontinued to bring the G8; the Montana - GM doesn't make mini-vans anymore; the 20th Anniversary Trans Am was a limited edition; only 18K GTO's were brought over each year and it was never intended to be a sales leader, but yes, they did sell quite a few of them. So, by refuting my list, what was your point? Did those cars sell? Yes. That was my issue with your post. The average retail price of a car is now just below $30K - compacts are the new mid-size, price wise - so if this car straddles the $30K line -$25K-$35K - it'll sell just fine.
No company stops making a car that is making money for the company or meeting projected numbers. There was suppose to be 18k-20k GTO sold per year. They never made that number any of the years they were sold. Dealer gouging cost the GTO sales more than anything.

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True, it doesn't have to knock off Camry but enough people do have to show interest in order for the car to stay around. If not, its gone.
Bonneville would have been around until now if they were selling. GM cut there run short because it wasn't selling. If GTO would have met or exceeded GM projected numbers, the 07 would have been made. You are kidding yourself if you think GM is not looking for the next single Camry killer. They shouldn't be in the Auto industry otherwise.

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Old 02-14-2007, 07:44 PM   #87
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DeMan, I need to take you out for some beers...your taking this thread waaaay to seriously.

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Old 02-14-2007, 08:57 PM   #88
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As for the Bonneville, discontinued to bring the G8
The reason is was discontinued was for lack of sales. Not to replace it with the G8, it's been out of production for a couple years now.

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As for the Bonneville, discontinued to bring the G8; the Montana
I thought the last Bonneville looked better than the Impala, which sold much better. I'd like to see Pontiac become GM's (BMW) division. They need a G6 sized RWD sedan to match the 3-series to get real attention.

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I thought the last Bonneville looked better than the Impala, which sold much better. I'd like to see Pontiac become GM's (BMW) division. They need a G6 sized RWD sedan to match the 3-series to get real attention.
I really loved the Bonneville in it's last generation. What a sharp ride. I was looking for one real bad before I got my SC1. But the only one I could find in my price range had a 1/4 of a million kms on it.

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I'm sure Buick and Pontiac would be the same playing field as the Chrysler.

Loaded up a 300c could easily sell for the same price as a Cadillac CTS.
nothing to do with price, just brand perception.

buick and chrysler have very different customers imo.

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nothing to do with price, just brand perception.

buick and chrysler have very different customers imo.
Well you're very wrong on that one. There is talk about GM scooping up Chrysler, and guess what GM division people speculate the Chysler brand might replace.....Buick.

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Well you're very wrong on that one. There is talk about GM scooping up Chrysler, and guess what GM division people speculate the Chysler brand might replace.....Buick.
That'll never happen. But, it does make sense. The Chrysler brand has much more cache than Buick.

Buick has a terrible brand image. The 300C does NOT appeal to the 90 year olds that currently shop Buicks, and I dont forsee any 300C (one of the most stylish sedans around) customers wanting to drive a Buick.

I bet they'll all stop stop by the BMW dealer and look at the sixty thousand dollar 550i too? jk..

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That'll never happen. But, it does make sense. The Chrysler brand has much more cache than Buick.

Buick has a terrible brand image. The 300C does NOT appeal to the 90 year olds that currently shop Buicks, and I dont forsee any 300C (one of the most stylish sedans around) customers wanting to drive a Buick.

I bet they'll all stop stop by the BMW dealer and look at the sixty thousand dollar 550i too? jk..
Well they are in the same market segment, but each has slightly different demographics frequenting each brand more often. Persoannly I love Buicks, and was looking long and hard for a good Regal GS before I settled on a newer Saturn. The reason the failed Terazza came about was to compete with the Town & Conuntry, but no one was buying. They sit in the same position in the market, but their buyers are at opposite ends of that market segment buyers for some reason.

BTW Chrysler and Buick buyers cross-shop Acura, Lexus, and Mercedes-Benz

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This is true. My parents have two Chryslers, both of which they cross-shopped with BMWs before buying.

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This is true. My parents have two Chryslers, both of which they cross-shopped with BMWs before buying.

I forgot about that..
They should have looked at Pontiac too

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They would have had to wait on the G8 and hoped that the "Astek Boys" didn't get to screw it up.
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They would have had to wait on the G8 and hoped that the "Astek Boys" didn't get to screw it up.
GM needs to fire everyone of those guys who had something to do with the current Grand Prix.
I like the current Grand Prix Less bulbous than the last one, but I won't shed a tear when the G8 replaces it forever.

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I don't think many would disagree. You can only twist that W-body so many ways before, it's just time to let go.

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