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Old 06-27-2008, 04:59 PM   #21
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You cannot tell me that their financial situation had absolutely NOTHING to do with the suspension.

What's up with the CPA thing anyway?

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Money had everything to do with the Aura being on hold. GM don't have the luxury of investing in cars that don't give them a positive return on their investment.

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Old 06-27-2008, 10:41 PM   #23
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GM has put the Insignia based Aura on hold as of last week. There is no apparent reason why it was put on hold.
Because they can't even sell the current version?

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Old 06-27-2008, 11:14 PM   #24
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Money had everything to do with the Aura being on hold. GM don't have the luxury of investing in cars that don't give them a positive return on their investment.
That is absolutely correct. Money had everything to do with GM's decision to put the next generation Aura on hold. GM lacks funding. Investors are running in the opposite direction! Who wants to invest in a company whose stock is the lowest it's been over 30-years? Unfortunately GM's current product portfolio, as great as it may look, is not enough to bring in the investors.

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Old 06-28-2008, 10:15 AM   #25
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Not a good sign... Remember what I said about GM getting a return on investment for a Saturn versions of a platform.

The Aura represents ~15% of GM mid size sales on the Epsilon platform, with the G6 and Malibu with 85%. It cost GM the same to update the Aura as the Malibu, but the profits from the G6 and Malibu will give 6 times the return.

When the money gets tight, tough decisions will be made. I really was looking forward to driving this car...
That's partly correct ... the design & engineering would be comparable, but the cost for tools and equipment is where the big money is. The big question is how "scalable" are these manufacturing investments? e.g.; if it takes (3) production lines to produce the Malibu, but only (1) to produce Aura, then 2:1 is more likely ratio than 6:1

Additionally, if the Aura is more of an Opel clone (as was the 2008 Vue), then the economies of scale might have this become a re-badged Opel, or even be made in Europe (as is the Astra).

GM is not likely to kill-off Saturn before taking the ax to Buick (overpriced sibling to the late Oldsmobile, r.i.p.)

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Old 06-29-2008, 09:40 PM   #26
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Sorry, but I am not overly disappointed with the news. My Aura is only 1 month old. The design is only 2 model years old. I don't mind if my Aura is not too obsolete for a year or 3. Maybe if GM/Saturn put some better marketing, particularly advertising the gas mileage of the 4 cylinder. If they did, maybe they would sell better. There were over 200 Auras on my local Saturn dealers lot, and only 2 Malibus at the Chevy dealer. Guess which one made me a better deal by almost $4000 for basically the same car. And we like the overall Saturn styling better. My wife is going ga-ga with the XM radio, so I guess I will spring for the subscription once the initial 3 months is up. She is not crazy about the Verizon car telephone however. So far she has gotten 3 calls, and all were wrong numbers (using up the minutes, too). 1500 miles and I am still impressed that the 2.4L is every bit as peppy as the 6 cylinder Sebring we traded in, and we are averaging a little over 29 mpg for a 50/50 mix of city/hwy on an engine not even broken in yet (and I am no feather-weight on the gas pedal, as my wife reminds me - and I push 70 mph on the freeway and will turn on the AC as necessary).

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Old 06-30-2008, 07:30 AM   #27
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.... There were over 200 Auras on my local Saturn dealers lot, and only 2 Malibus at the Chevy dealer. .
Malibu vs aura

I live in Montreal.
For the same price,on a 4cyl. a Malibu gets stabilitrak and convenience pack.
How in the world are they going to sell the Aura ?
It's basicly the same car..... No wonder why they sell more Malibu's


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VIN: ******
Stock Number:
Exterior Colour: Golden Pewter Met
Interior Colour: Ebony Sheer Suede Interior
Engine: 2.4l 164 Hp L4 Dohc Vvt
Transmission: 4-speed Automatic Transmission
Option Package: Preferred Equipment Package
Options:

* Front Bucket Seats With Seatback Pockets
* 6-way Power Driver Seat Adjuster
* Remote Vehicle Start
* Window, Express Up/down Driver
* Body Colour-body Side Mouldings
* Electrochromic Inside Rearview With Compass
* Stabilitrak
* Power Adjustable Pedals
* Engine Block Heater
* Driver And Passenger Front Heated Seats
* Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
* P225/50r X 17" All Season Tire
* Billing Credit For Gmcl/ipc
* Rear Reading Lamps
* Universal Home Remote
* Leather Wrapped Shift Knob
* Preliminary Invoice

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VIN: ****
Stock Number:
Exterior Colour: Bronzed Pewter
Interior Colour: Ebony Light Neutral Cloth Interior
Engine: 2.4l 164 Hp L4 Dohc Vvt
Transmission: 4-speed Automatic Transmission
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* 17" X 7" 5-spoke Sterling Silver Painted Wheel
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:04 AM   #28
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Malibu vs aura

I live in Montreal.
For the same price,on a 4cyl. a Malibu gets stabilitrak and convenience pack.
How in the world are they going to sell the Aura ?
It's basicly the same car..... No wonder why they sell more Malibu's


Malibu
VIN: ******
Stock Number:
Exterior Colour: Golden Pewter Met
Interior Colour: Ebony Sheer Suede Interior
Engine: 2.4l 164 Hp L4 Dohc Vvt
Transmission: 4-speed Automatic Transmission
Option Package: Preferred Equipment Package
Options:

* Front Bucket Seats With Seatback Pockets
* 6-way Power Driver Seat Adjuster
* Remote Vehicle Start
* Window, Express Up/down Driver
* Body Colour-body Side Mouldings
* Electrochromic Inside Rearview With Compass
* Stabilitrak
* Power Adjustable Pedals
* Engine Block Heater
* Driver And Passenger Front Heated Seats
* Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
* P225/50r X 17" All Season Tire
* Billing Credit For Gmcl/ipc
* Rear Reading Lamps
* Universal Home Remote
* Leather Wrapped Shift Knob
* Preliminary Invoice

$27,555.00

Aura
VIN: ****
Stock Number:
Exterior Colour: Bronzed Pewter
Interior Colour: Ebony Light Neutral Cloth Interior
Engine: 2.4l 164 Hp L4 Dohc Vvt
Transmission: 4-speed Automatic Transmission
Option Package: Preferred Equipment Package
Options:

* Front Bucket Seats With Seatback Pockets
* 8-way Power Driver Seat
* Lock Control, Entry Remote, Keyless Entry, Start
* Interior Trim Accents - Burnt Harvest Burl
* Power Adjustable Pedals
* Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
* 17" X 7" 5-spoke Sterling Silver Painted Wheel
* 17" X 7" 5-spoke Fascia Chrome Wheel
* Billing Credit For Gmcl/ipc
* Steering Wheel Radio Control, Accessory
* Leather Wrapped Shift Knob

$27,145.00
Canada seems to get hosed by all the car companies. In the US an Aura is cheaper than a similarly equiped Malibu because you can usually get cash back on the Aura. I was reading the VW forums that a new Jetta costs $8,000 more in Canada for the same equipment as it does in the US. You Canucks need to boycot Canadian dealers and jump the boarder to buy cars until the car companies stop trying to screw you.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:08 AM   #29
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Canada seems to get hosed by all the car companies. In the US an Aura is cheaper than a similarly equiped Malibu because you can usually get cash back on the Aura. I was reading the VW forums that a new Jetta costs $8,000 more in Canada for the same equipment as it does in the US. You Canucks need to boycot Canadian dealers and jump the boarder to buy cars until the car companies stop trying to screw you.

Yes, agreed.

Also, a local dealer advertises heavily that their new and used vehicles are also on sale to Canadian Customers, we are somewhat close to the border.

Everyone should come here, and take advantage of our incentives and the dealers large inventory.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:52 AM   #30
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Money had everything to do with the Aura being on hold. GM don't have the luxury of investing in cars that don't give them a positive return on their investment.
Considering the new tooling is sitting there waiting to go on the line, I doubt money was the hold up. Rumor has it, they are waiting for certification of the HCCI system.

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Old 06-30-2008, 09:07 AM   #31
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As I stated, the Aura was over $4000 less than the similarly equiped Malibu. This is primarily due to the $2500 rebate on the Aura, and my qualifying for the GM X-Plan (able to buy at GM partner invoice). Plus the dealer gave me high book for my trade-in. They obviously want the 2008 Aura's sold. The Malibu is in short supply, due primarily to slow pipeline ramp-up and ample advertising for the Malibu (and the Car of the Year award). The dealers are selling at invoice and the car does not qualify for the X-Plan currently (limited availability vehicle). Now, let me see, would I pay $4000 for Stabilitrak? No! The only positive for the Malibu was the ability to get a black cloth interior, also not a reason to spend the extra money. Comparibles:
2008 Aura: Sticker $20,695. Purchase price (without trade) $17,281
2008 Malibu: Sticker $22,125. Dealer offer (without trade) $22,225 and a comment - "These are in such short supply, just be glad we're not charging extra over sticker". Price difference (taking out the $440 convenience OPTION package on the Malibu, NOTE the Malibu @ $21,835 has a higher base price than the Aura @ $20,695 ): $4504.
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I found the same thing when I was looking VWCarcrazy. Plus I think the styling on the Aura is a lot nicer than the Malibu. There are a few interior details that I wish the Aura had, such as the dash top bin, the lighted gear indicators on the center console, and the green instrument lighting. But, I love my Aura and know I made the right choice!

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Yes, agreed.

Also, a local dealer advertises heavily that their new and used vehicles are also on sale to Canadian Customers, we are somewhat close to the border.

Everyone should come here, and take advantage of our incentives and the dealers large inventory.
BTW it's not only cars that are higher for no reason ( C$ being almost par).

Importing can be complicated because they have to be on a cnd DOT approved list otherwise they won't issue plates so you can't drive them.

Some canadians got caught with this issue

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Considering the new tooling is sitting there waiting to go on the line, I doubt money was the hold up. Rumor has it, they are waiting for certification of the HCCI system.
Purchasing the equipment is just half the cost. The installation training and setup cost the rest of the investment. The equipment just doesn't jump into place and produce Insignia's...

Like I said GM is in "ratchet down mode". Everything stops and they will re-evaluate everything. Stop all expenditures and plug the holes. Then when things look better, go forward with all projects that are guaranteed to make money.

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BTW it's not only cars that are higher for no reason ( C$ being almost par).

Importing can be complicated because they have to be on a cnd DOT approved list otherwise they won't issue plates so you can't drive them.

Some canadians got caught with this issue
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Purchasing the equipment is just half the cost. The installation training and setup cost the rest of the investment. The equipment just doesn't jump into place and produce Insignia's...

Like I said GM is in "ratchet down mode". Everything stops and they will re-evaluate everything. Stop all expenditures and plug the holes. Then when things look better, go forward with all projects that are guaranteed to make money.
You took the words right out of my mouth.....thank you!

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Purchasing the equipment is just half the cost. The installation training and setup cost the rest of the investment. The equipment just doesn't jump into place and produce Insignia's...

Like I said GM is in "ratchet down mode". Everything stops and they will re-evaluate everything. Stop all expenditures and plug the holes. Then when things look better, go forward with all projects that are guaranteed to make money.
The equipment will be installed no matter what. But, it doesn't have to be building the Aura. It can build the new LaCrosse. So it is a moot point that since the equipment is there, the Aura is going to be built no matter what. The equipment can build any Epsilon II car.

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You cannot tell me that their financial situation had absolutely NOTHING to do with the suspension.
Sure I can...I may not be correct, but I can tell you anything I want to.

The stamps and dies for the body panels are completed and awaiting fitting to the line. I don't think they'd just trash millions of dollars of stamping equipment, and I simply expressed doubt as to money being the reason it was halted. I didn't say it wasn't money, just that I think it was something else. There is no need to prove me wrong, I am merely posing another line of reason.

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The equipment will be installed no matter what. But, it doesn't have to be building the Aura. It can build the new LaCrosse. So it is a moot point that since the equipment is there, the Aura is going to be built no matter what. The equipment can build any Epsilon II car.
The line can produce the Lacrosse, but the stamps and dies cannot. I think they are holding off on the Aura to release the new LaCrosse first.

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I'm still thinking its being delayed to announce some new powerplant with it, hybrid, HCCI, or diesel. CNN is reporting that congress is talking about moving the CAFE standard increase to 35mpg up to 2015 instead of 2020. If that happens GM is going to need to do something fast. As it is right now GM looks like the bad guy in the whole fuel economy game and announcing real class leading fuel economy in a real affordable production vehicle would probably go very far to get their stock price back up. Right now the only thing they have announced for the near future is a Volt, and if anyone thinks it will be affordable for the average american before the middle of next decade, they are dreaming. An HCCI, diesel, or real hybrid Aura would be something GM could pull off in a hurry and really be affordable, I am still betting it will be diesel because the powerplants are already developed and proven in europe an only need tuning for emissions to be sold here, whereas HCCI is totally new and unproven and a full hybrid would be more expensive.

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