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Old 07-17-2018, 02:20 PM   #41
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One of my female friends got offended, the day she bought her Chrysler Sebring JXi convertible....

She wasn't so offended a couple years later, when I passed her broke down car on the freeway
I dunno.

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Old 07-17-2018, 03:00 PM   #42
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On the topic of Consumer Reports, or any other source, always look to methodology. They are as reliable as any source, but it is important to understand what hat means. so . . .

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...liability-faq/

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Consumer Reports obtains its reliability data from an Annual Questionnaire that is sent to subscribers to CR.org and Consumer Reports magazine. . . .

A typical model has about 200 to 400 samples for each model year. When we have smaller sample sizes than this on vehicles, we use brand history and the reliability of similar models that may share major components in calculating our predictions. Since 2015, we use an online questionnaire exclusively instead of our previous mix of electronic and paper ballots from subscribers.
So. . . theoretically, let's say it's 'normal' to have a 2% failure rate in transmissions within 150k miles. For 200 vehicles, that's 4 cars.

let's say in a particular year, a car company has a batch of bad transmissions. In a batch of 200 vehicles, 95% of the transmissions are fine, but 5% or 10 cars have a bad trans within 150k miles.

So CR sends out a survey to its subscribers and publishes the results.

Next year, those subscribers check CR . . . and see that this company's transmissions were less reliable. So they buy fewer of these cars (let's say half).

So, survey comes out again and now we have a sample size of 100 cars. CR says taht's too small, so they go back to previous history . . . which includes that bad year. And they publish the results showing the same trans reliability issues.

And next year, CR subscribers see it again . . . and buy fewer of that company's cars.

See how you can get into a feedback loop with small samples and particular methodologies? Not saying that this is what happened, but take everything you read on the internet with a grain of salt, even from reliable sources.

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Old 07-17-2018, 03:20 PM   #43
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The Sebring JXi convertible is the 1995-2000 style that had the Mitsubishi 6G73 2.5L V6. It didn't ever get the Chrysler 2.7L. Perhaps your female friend had a newer Sebring Convertible (which doesn't use the "JXi" designation)?

I agree with the FCA reliability statement. My wife and I are looking at buying a newer (2017+) Chrysler Pacifica minivan in the near future. So far their reliability seems pretty good, but FCA's bad track record makes me a little hesitant to buy one.
The engine should be fine with proper maintenance. You may want to research the ZF 9 transmission. Not for earlier years but in the year and vehicle so that you know what to expect. The ZF 9 had problems before some changes were made. Some still complain about harsh shifting under certain conditions. You'll want to research both the engine and transmission.

When researching vehicles, it's good to know the engine and transmissions used. I don't like buying the new edition of anything that has a new engine or transmission regardless of brand. I prefer to buy later when the drivetrain is proven and any possible faults are know.

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Old 07-17-2018, 03:44 PM   #44
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The engine should be fine with proper maintenance. You may want to research the ZF 9 transmission. Not for earlier years but in the year and vehicle so that you know what to expect. The ZF 9 had problems before some changes were made. Some still complain about harsh shifting under certain conditions. You'll want to research both the engine and transmission.

When researching vehicles, it's good to know the engine and transmissions used. I don't like buying the new edition of anything that has a new engine or transmission regardless of brand. I prefer to buy later when the drivetrain is proven and any possible faults are know.
I've researched the Pentastar 3.6L and ZF 9HP transmission the Pacifica uses. It's hard to decipher legitimate complaints from actual problems when researching the transmission. Because of it's design, not every shift is going to be silky smooth like most people have become accustomed to. This video does a good job explaining the ZF 9HP.

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Old 07-17-2018, 06:00 PM   #45
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I've researched the Pentastar 3.6L and ZF 9HP transmission the Pacifica uses. It's hard to decipher legitimate complaints from actual problems when researching the transmission. Because of it's design, not every shift is going to be silky smooth like most people have become accustomed to. This video does a good job explaining the ZF 9HP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7EMGnjEhmE
Just wasn't sure if you were aware of the shifting. The only real complaints I know of in later ones other than the difference in shifting was occasional complaints of a cover loosening. I'm not very familiar with the ZF and have not owned one, so I can't speak to it other than research I did around 1.5 years back.

I really like the later model (2013+) Pentastar. Decided to get a Grand Cherokee with one paired with the W5A580 transmission and have been pleased.

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Old 07-18-2018, 08:01 AM   #46
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I passed on it the body was pretty rough not near as nice as the pictures. Steering stuff was about average but clutch was very weak!
Some of the cars you are posting are not giving me the warm fuzzies. Too many miles for the price.

For the $1500 to $2000 bracket, I would try to find a Saturn around 150K miles with no issues. You have to consider with a used car, if you buy it and something breaks, you have to pay or repair it. Think worse case scenario and the engine or tranny blows. That is the price for not having a car payment. The good is with a Saturn, that repair cost (even if a new engine) isn't too bad.

You could go less than $1500, but then you might have issues you need to deal with.

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Old 07-18-2018, 08:08 AM   #47
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I am actually driving to Indiana in a couple hours to look at a sl1
Lady has owned it since 2004.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:36 AM   #48
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That one looks better than the other ones you posted.

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Hello, I currently have 3 Saturns, 1998 SL2, 2000 SW2 and a 2002 SC2.All are automatics. Kids don't know how to drive a stick shift anymore so I tend to shy away from them. I am in Imperial Mo. If you have not found a Saturn yet I would be glad to help. I am a recently retired shop owner 40 years in business. I also have my dealers license so I can look to see whats up for auction. Let me know if I can help.

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Hello, I currently have 3 Saturns, 1998 SL2, 2000 SW2 and a 2002 SC2.All are automatics. Kids don't know how to drive a stick shift anymore so I tend to shy away from them. I am in Imperial Mo. If you have not found a Saturn yet I would be glad to help. I am a recently retired shop owner 40 years in business. I also have my dealers license so I can look to see whats up for auction. Let me know if I can help.
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I dunno.

If I was broke down on the side of the road and saw a co-worker drive by without stopping to help, I'd be even more offended
I was the one that DID stop to help her, how would I have known about the puddle of orange coolant on the ground, under the timing cover/passenger side of the car?

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The Sebring JXi convertible is the 1995-2000 style that had the Mitsubishi 6G73 2.5L V6. It didn't ever get the Chrysler 2.7L. Perhaps your female friend had a newer Sebring Convertible (which doesn't use the "JXi" designation)?

I agree with the FCA reliability statement. My wife and I are looking at buying a newer (2017+) Chrysler Pacifica minivan in the near future. So far their reliability seems pretty good, but FCA's bad track record makes me a little hesitant to buy one.
Her Sebring was a second-gen, because it had a 2.7L DOHC engine in it. Silver with a black top. I didn't know they dropped the JXi badge.

It was a convertible, and it did blow the engine in typical Chrysler quality fashion.

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I've researched the Pentastar 3.6L and ZF 9HP transmission the Pacifica uses. It's hard to decipher legitimate complaints from actual problems when researching the transmission. Because of it's design, not every shift is going to be silky smooth like most people have become accustomed to. This video does a good job explaining the ZF 9HP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7EMGnjEhmE
Contact your local wrecking yards, that show to have used engine/transmissions in stock.

Used parts are the preferred method, when repairs can be expensive with labor costs, because used parts are cheaper than a dealership.

The wrecking yards can often know where the problems lie, with a vehicle, because of the sales calls they consistently take for the same parts, for the same year/make/model of vehicle.

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Just wasn't sure if you were aware of the shifting. The only real complaints I know of in later ones other than the difference in shifting was occasional complaints of a cover loosening. I'm not very familiar with the ZF and have not owned one, so I can't speak to it other than research I did around 1.5 years back.

I really like the later model (2013+) Pentastar. Decided to get a Grand Cherokee with one paired with the W5A580 transmission and have been pleased.
Wrecking yards owners know all about ZF, because they male use rich from used transmission sales.......

GM's Dexron-VI is catching up to Chrysler, though, thanks to O'Bailout and his eco-Nazi CAFE regulations increases. A lot of newer GM's are having transmission problems now, too.

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I'm looking for a 2001 SC2 - manual - and it' s gotta be YELLOW!


Add low miles on that, and for cheap. I always thought the yellow SC's were probably the best looking S Series cars.


Around here finding a decent S Series seems to be getting harder and harder. They are either beat and overpriced, or just overpriced and meh condition usually. Here and there some in good condition, but yep.... usually overpriced.

There is a 2002 SC1 with only 81K on it and overall not bad but has a corner of the hood/quarter crunch. I might consider it if it wasn't an automatic.

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