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Old 06-01-2004, 05:18 PM   #41
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Well, I did the MMO soak the other week. Right off, I noticed that my fuel economy was suffering... it was about 10mpg lower than what it should have been. It quickly recovered, but I was really worried for a couple of days.

Anyways, my oil consumption has, if anything, gotten worse. Stupid Saturn, maybe a second MMO soak will do the trick.

Oh what is Seafoam, and where can I get it?

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Old 06-02-2004, 12:50 PM   #42
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I completed my first MMO soak yesterday. I let the MMO stay in the cylinders for about 18 hours. It all leaked out of the #1 cylinder after about 4 hours (I refilled it) and #'s 2 ~ 4 sometime after that.

I was due for an oil change so I went ahead and did that and added Techron to the fuel tank.

The engine performance has obviousley improved but I can't judge oil consumption yet.

After reading about the MMO soak, I was expecting the car to be hard to start and to produce a lot of smoke. However the car started instantly & smoothly and produced no smoke at all.

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Old 06-02-2004, 01:21 PM   #43
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After reading about the MMO soak, I was expecting the car to be hard to start and to produce a lot of smoke. However the car started instantly & smoothly and produced no smoke at all.
Most not have left it in long enough. The smoke is tons of fun!

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Old 06-02-2004, 07:55 PM   #44
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I'm afraid I can't do more than 18 hours. I'll try again another day.

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Old 06-04-2004, 12:07 PM   #45
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Woohoo!!

29.1 mpg on the last tank. My best ever! Though only by about .6 mpg. However, it was a mostly city, which usually drops my mpg to 26. So maybe when it's mostly highway miles, it'll go up above 30! I don't know if this is a result of the MMO or the new header, but something's working!

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Old 06-05-2004, 02:59 PM   #46
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what hasn't been addressed in this thread yet is what to do in case all the MMO seeps down past the piston rings into the engine.

Refill as soon as you notice and then start the car, or wait for a while?

Anyone have an answer?

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Old 06-05-2004, 05:17 PM   #47
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Well I did the MMO soak about 20 days ago. Seems like i am burning more oil. To hard to tell yet. I am goin to do one more soak, and dump the rest of the MMO in with the oil and change out after 200 miles. My gas milage is great, just hate seeing the smoke when you hit the high revs and need to get on it. Maybe there is damage to the motor and the MMO will not help it.

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Old 06-05-2004, 10:58 PM   #48
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what hasn't been addressed in this thread yet is what to do in case all the MMO seeps down past the piston rings into the engine.

Refill as soon as you notice and then start the car, or wait for a while?

Anyone have an answer?
i was wondering that myself, both mmo and seafoam seem a bit thin, would something thicker(which would need to sit longer) work better, or am i trying to reinvent the wheel?

also, i thinking about rebuilding with "total seal" gapless rings will the MMO soak still work? or would it not even get past the first ring?

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Old 06-07-2004, 12:34 PM   #49
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Hi,
I just did my compression test on my SL1 1993 with 242 000KM:

Passenger to Driver
160 195 185 195
180

the 180 was after I poured tsp of oil.. so I guess a MMO soak would fix everything up to 195?? or even more > (DO I HEAR TURBO!!!!) >;'\\\\

I do 500KM with a full tank of gas.. and I use a full pan of oil.. in about 4-5 tanks of gas.. is that in the norm or best or worst?

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Old 06-08-2004, 01:34 AM   #50
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the MMO may help, but for a turbo on a high mileage motor, you should rebuild first.

4 quarts of oil in 2500KM? ( i think thats about 1200 miles ) thats not very good, 1 quart in 2000 miles (maybe 4500 or 5000 KM?) is normal

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Old 06-08-2004, 11:48 AM   #51
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i guess i'll have to check.. but it doesnt use alot of oil..

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Old 06-11-2004, 10:06 AM   #52
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the MMO may help, but for a turbo on a high mileage motor, you should rebuild first.

4 quarts of oil in 2500KM? ( i think thats about 1200 miles ) thats not very good, 1 quart in 2000 miles (maybe 4500 or 5000 KM?) is normal
2,500 kilometers = 1,553.4279806 miles.

Anyway, it sounds like freakerz is burning about 1 quart of oil per tankful of gasoline. That sounds excessive to me.

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Old 06-11-2004, 03:42 PM   #53
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Yea try 1 quart every 500 miles. That is what is burning on my 98 sc2. Funny part is i never see any kind of smoke on start up or when i am driving. Where it is going i have no clue.

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Old 06-11-2004, 04:57 PM   #54
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Yea try 1 quart every 500 miles. That is what is burning on my 98 sc2. Funny part is i never see any kind of smoke on start up or when i am driving. Where it is going i have no clue.
Maybe one or more of the gaskets on the engine (for the oil pan, for the valve cover, etc.) is leaking? If you look at the underside of the engine, do you see things that are covered with dirty oil and/or grime?

My 1993 SL2 was "consuming" about 1.5 quarts of oil per 3,000 miles. Then I changed the valve cover gasket and have since driven 2,000 miles; the oil level is down only 1/4 quart. Yes, I had oil around the spark plug wires on the top of the valve cover and I had oil on the sides of the engine that face the firewall and that face the battery. After I changed the valve cover gasket I cleaned up the engine compartment with Simple Green, a toothbrush, and water trickling out of the garden hose. All of those areas are still clean today.

My 1996 SC2 "consumed" oil at a greater rate than my 1993 SL2. On this car the back of the engine, the transmission, and a few other things were always wet with oil. The valve cover gasket was less than 50,000 miles old so it was probably another gasket or two that needed to be replaced. But the clutch was beginning to slip so I wasn't anxious to dump too much money into that car at that point.

Neither car has/had visible smoke exiting the tailpipe except when under wide open throttle and shifting at high RPMs. For the most part I shift before 3,000 RPM.

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Old 06-11-2004, 11:23 PM   #55
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Valve cover gasket changed, No leaks under car, no puddles. MMO soak was done 1,000 miles ago. It has to be something internal.

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Old 06-12-2004, 06:46 AM   #56
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Mine never had any oil drip marks on the ground either. Probably the oil only leaked out of mine while the engine was running, and I'd guess the higher the RPMs the greater the rate of oil leaking.

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Old 06-13-2004, 11:59 PM   #57
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My car has some oil around the bottom near the oil pan. I've never seen it dripping or anything but I do park in the dirt. The oil level seems farely consistent right now but I haven't had it for very long.

I do see a little bit of some under WOT though. Maybe the MMO soak will help with that....hopefully. People might laugh at me at the track.

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Old 07-15-2004, 07:08 PM   #58
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After doing the soak, do I have to change the oil right after, or would it be fine to run the last ~1500 miles on this oilchange? Thanks.

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Old 07-15-2004, 11:11 PM   #59
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depends how bad the rings are, best to do a oil change about 50 or 100 miles after, not much more

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OK. I'll do the oil change in about 100 miles. Should I add the last 12oz of MMO to the crankcase after it starts up?

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