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Old 06-08-2015, 12:14 PM   #1
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Default Under carriage rust repair

Trying to figure out what is the best way to deal with holes in the under carriage under the rear seat just before the wheel wells as seen in the photo. I've been told it is structural and that I might as well scrap the car. It is on both sides same spot. It’s kind of an awkward shape; not flat like repairing the floor pans.

This is my Mom's 2000 SW2 AT that I'm trying to sell. Her brake lines will need to be changed as well to meet safety certification. It's a shame as the top side of the car looks fantastic for its age.
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Is this looking straight up from the ground? I am trying to get a better visual on how this is represented in your photo. The rust does look a bit rough. I would say that welding a steel piece in there as others have done for the Rear Door Sill replacement, may be the best; or only...option?
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:22 PM   #3
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Yes, the bottom part of the picture is the outside edge of the car. I'd say it would line up with the rear door handle if you followed it straight down and under the car. That hole I believe started out as a drainage hole or something and grew outwards from there as it rusted. It would be good to have a photo of the same area from a southern vehicle to compare what it should look like.

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It could be structural, but it does not look like it affects the Trailing Arm pivot connection.
Seems like it could be fixed and then fogged with Kroll oil (and re-fogged yearly)
The Trailing Arm pivots are a concern.
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Is the rust thru the bottom of part #32?
http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssem...riveLine=11504

If you remove the rear seats and trim, you can see it...
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No, I think it is through 15. I think I can poke up though the hole and feel 32. It's solid with no perforation through to the cabin.

Part 15 (21124520) is the Rail/Rear Crossbar in this diagram. Looks like the hole on the left bottom is what it started out like and rusted outwards from there.
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I'm no body shop. What I would do is clean and use POR 15 on what you have. Then, fabricate a new plate to cover as much of the entire area as possible. Coat it and then screw it with self-tapping screws. It would take some skill to make the plate. If it wrapped over the edge it would add rigidity.
I don't know how you would get it past inspection unless it was done by a professional.
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I would do that, but weld it in place. Know anyone with a mig or flux welder?
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I would do that, but weld it in place. Know anyone with a mig or flux welder?
My father-in-law does welding but I wouldn't put this job on him. I'll have to poke around and see who I can find.

Given this and the brake line work I'm starting to think that the effort is not worth it and I should be selling this as a parts car or attempting to part it out. I don't want to put money into it and not be able to get it back out.
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My father-in-law does welding but I wouldn't put this job on him. I'll have to poke around and see who I can find.

Given this and the brake line work I'm starting to think that the effort is not worth it and I should be selling this as a parts car or attempting to part it out. I don't want to put money into it and not be able to get it back out.
If Brake Lines need to be done, it can be done for cheap if you know how to flare brake lines. Let me guess- the Passenger Wheel Brake Line that runs over the Rear Sway Bar- did it rust out or is it close to rusting out?

Brake Lines and Flaring Parts are not expensive- they can be bought for under $50.00- it's the labor to get them installed.

Talk to your father in law and ask him if he has any contacts that would be willing to do the job for you at a lower cost since you would be considered, maybe; a friend of the family?
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Yes, I've read up on the brake line repair threads and realize that the parts are inexpensive and the labour effort is high. It would not make for a happy wife if I spent much time working on my Mom's car so I would need to farm this job out. I've already received some grief for spending 5 hours detailing the car interior.

All 4 brake lines are rotted and suspect of bursting. They will not pass safety certification.
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Doesn't look like GM/Saturn ever made pre-bent brake lines other than the front driver side...and that one is so stupid easy to make yourself a 8yr old could do it.
Brake line parts (if you want official nuts & clips): http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssem...rimLevel=25210

I'd plan on 5hrs shop time to have the lines replaced and bled, though it wouldn't hurt to check with actual shops as that's just my guess...

Flaring brake lines is easy...easy to do right and easier to do wrong...

As for the rust repair, I'd be strongly tempted to hose the area down with rust neutralizer, fill the hole with high density expanding foam, cover the exposed area with bondo and then cover everything in sight with rubberized undercoating.
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As for the rust repair, I'd be strongly tempted to hose the area down with rust neutralizer, fill the hole with high density expanding foam, cover the exposed area with bondo and then cover everything in sight with rubberized undercoating.
I'd have a hard time doing that ethically as it is part of the main structure. I wouldn't be comfortable selling it knowing that there is a weak point there which I covered up to make the sale.

If someone were to buy the car and do that in order to pass certification then that is another thing.
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So I was fortunate enough to get a list of the required work to meet DOT Safety Certification from a prospective buyer as per the photo linked below. This is good information to have; I'm leaning towards the easy way out.

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