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Old 12-23-2017, 10:32 PM   #1
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they are great reliable cars but why is their almost value down to zero in car terms will this ever change i know being cheap has it perks but also its downfalls for example a lack of respect by a majority of their owners for example trashed out interiors and most people think just because its worth next to nothing you shouldn't take care of it

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Old 12-23-2017, 11:42 PM   #2
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I enjoy driving a car that is more valuable to me than the general public. I am picking up a 2000 l300 with a bad transmission and and a ratty interior for $100. I donít need either of the bad parts so I get value out of what I need which is body parts. I should be able to drive this car for many years for almost zero dollars.
If you are looking to make money on used cars buy a Honda or a Toyota.

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Old 12-24-2017, 01:08 AM   #3
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:40 PM   #4
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they are great reliable cars, but why is their value almost down to zero in car terms? will this ever change? i know being cheap has it perks, but also its downfalls. for example, a lack of respect by a majority of their owners who have trashed out their car's interiors, and most people think just because its worth next to nothing you shouldn't take care of it. (Puntcuation and sentence adjustments mine - pierrot)
sirlarkspur, you swerved into answering your original question without realizing it. It's about the owners and their mindsets, it's not about the cars. Each car I've owned has been taken care of by me as well as I could possibly do so regardless of its age. The two cars I've owned previously were a '65 Dodge Dart Convertible, 225 CID six cylinder engine (for about nine years), and an '84 Dodge 600, 2.6L "Jet Valve" Mitsubishi four cyl engine (for fourteen plus years).

Now my Saturn will be eighteen years old in April and it still looks good. Granted, with this age it's been given its share of scrapes and scratches in the parking lots, or from debris flying at it on the streets or freeways - what I like to call "battle scars" - but that's just a downside of ownership with any car. I've never wanted to be found in a car that was beaten up as my daily driver.

With regard to an L-Series cars' value as a used vehicle, it won't begin to rise - if it ever will - until it hits the 25 year mark which is when it begins to be viewed as a possible "classic." If the value does go up, it will take many more years before it will reach something near its original sale price. In short, I'm in agreement with 02 LW300 and fdryer: I don't care what others may think of my car's value and one can find lots of other cars which have been trashed out by owners who were slobs.

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Old 12-25-2017, 10:28 AM   #5
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They say you can take people out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of people. That's why some cars look pristine and others look like toilets. It's all about people.

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Old 12-25-2017, 03:05 PM   #6
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I love the car and wish I had another Vue... but GM hasn't changed much over the years when it comes to their small engines. They just do not hold up well compared to their counterparts. With any of these cars, you might go 100K without too many problems, but much over 120 to 150 K miles and you are looking at major repair expenses, including up to and including the cost of a new engine. No vehicle at that point is worth enough to spend that much money on. That is why the re-sale is so low.

Many will say it is lack of maintenance, but that is just not true.

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Old 12-25-2017, 03:36 PM   #7
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I have a question for you, hoosierrun, and I ask it without any other purpose than to seek your opinion - nothing more. It is not meant to be argumentative: why would it be that my engine has continued without trouble to date - all internal engine parts and timing components are factory originals - at over 277K miles?

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Old 12-25-2017, 03:58 PM   #8
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I can appreciate your comment. An engine will go many miles if most of the driving is highway. Could that be the contributing factor?

Years ago I was a GM guy (all V8 engines). They were awesome. I started having problems when they went to newer OHC and aluminum heads. I got very frustrated. I figured by the mid 2000's they would improved because of overseas competition. I really don't think they got much better. In 2009 I passed up buying an Equinox and instead bought a Toyota RAV4. The RAV is light years ahead of the Equinox (same engine as Saturn)

I suppose it could be I just had bad luck. On the other hand, I had a 98 Chrysler mini-van with over 350,000 miles on it (2.4 -4 cylinder) and it was still running great (body looked like crap). I generally have no biases toward any car manufacturer (foreign or domestic owned)... but I like to have a vehicle that does not eat me up for repair costs.

It is my belief that poor reliability (based on the reports I hear.. and my own experience) for cars with higher mileage are what contributes to poor re-sale value.

It is always good to hear that people are getting relatively trouble free high mileage on Their Saturns. I may still try again some day.

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Pierrot your engine has lasted so long because you care. Most people are completely ignorant about their cars and the required maintenance. If you have changed your oil and filter when it starts to get dirty your engine probably shows no wear inside. On the other hand most people skip oil changes or never change their oil and trade off their cars every few years.
We as the used car consumers get to know the problems caused by lack of maintenance. I purchased a clean 2002 L200 with a broken timing chain and the consequential damage at 133k miles for $300. I put about $700 in parts plus my labor into this car and drove it for a year. I put fresh brakes and tires on it and gifted this car to one of my grandchildren. This car will run many years for him and it will remain trouble free.

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Old 12-26-2017, 02:45 AM   #10
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......An engine will go many miles if most of the driving is highway. Could that be the contributing factor?
Yes, it could be as the largest part of my driving is on the highway. It must also be pointed out that another significant percentage of that driving is in "slow 'n go" traffic as well. I agree with you that driving highway miles - and hours - are not as hard on an engine as regular street driving with occasional highway miles. If the same hours were all on street driving then perhaps my maintenance situation would be different (mileage would certainly be lower).

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It is my belief that poor reliability (based on the reports I hear.. and my own experience) for cars with higher mileage are what contributes to poor re-sale value.
True. You are correct and thank you for reminding me of that!

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Pierrot your engine has lasted so long because you care.
I would like to think that this is the case.

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Most people are completely ignorant about their cars and the required maintenance. If you have changed your oil and filter when it starts to get dirty your engine probably shows no wear inside.
I decided shortly after purchasing this car that I would follow the maintenance schedule provided with the car. Therefore my oil changes were supposed to remain at the 3K mile interval based on my driving conditions and weather. Candidly, I will let the changes go a little longer in the colder months, but only by another 500 miles. There was one occasion earlier this year when I totally skipped an oil change and discovered that I had gone over 6K miles without one! Yikes!! Additionally, the OLM light never came on during that time to alert me of a need to change the engine oil!!!

I have never been a believer in waiting for that system to tell me when to change the oil. Frankly, I felt stupid for missing that oil change. I'd misplaced my paperwork by which I would check to see when the service was due. This information is kept in the car for easy reference. (Not all records are there, only about two and a half years worth of them.) Fortunately, the engine still performs well, so I have no complaints against it.


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On the other hand most people skip oil changes or never change their oil and trade off their cars every few years.
It's my belief that, in general, most of the engine failures for the ECOTEC 2.2L engines are due to delayed normal maintenance. Now, this is not to say that even engines which are maintained according to factory recommendations will not experience a relatively early failure. I think that there may have been too many people relying on "best case scenario" information to inform them as to when an oil change should occur, and thus prolonging the oil change interval to a point where viscosity breakdown was already occuring in the engine.

Disclaimer: I could be wrong!

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I think it comes down to Saturn being a bit of a footnote in terms of brand name. Saturn was good during the 90s and early 00s, then GM and union messups caused the product and the brand to suffer. Then, when they went under in 07 for many it was good riddance. Another thing to consider is that there are other brands making cheap cars. Brands like Toyota and Nissan churned out good cars that went 250k easy. Of course, those brands can carry a bit of a badge tax, but it comes down to choosing japanese over the weird GM cross platform mishmash that was Saturn.

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