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Old 12-24-2017, 01:59 AM   #1
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Is there a way to get one thats of better stronger material and wont melt. Tired of having to replace it. I charged something in a newer rental car a few times and had no problems but the 12 volt in my 07 ion keeps going out. Seems if it heats up too much eventually it gets a littl loose to where it feels like something within disconnected and is wobbly

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Old 12-24-2017, 10:48 AM   #2
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First, what are you charging? Second, if your Ion power outlet is faulty, did you examine it for loose power and ground connections? Most power outlets are fused for 15 amps, more than enough amperage to power many things. The outlets may loosen over time. Since 12v power is on center pin, ground is the casing attached to the console sheet metal. You may have to examine how the outlet is bolted to the chassis and grounded in addition to ensuring the hot lead is intact on the center pin.

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Old 12-24-2017, 04:08 PM   #3
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Each power ports has a 15A fuse in them like fdryer said, and they don't share said fuses with any other circuits/loads. This means each port can handle about a 180 watt load. I would not rely on that for prolonged periods of time.

Most cell phone chargers less than 15 watts, but those designed to recharge multiple devices and can draw 40 watts or more when used at full potential. In any case, a cell phone charger should never generate enough heat to melt the plastic around the port in any circumstance. If it does, it is malfunctioning or the connection is weak.

FWIW, I only use car chargers that have the rounded contacts on the sides like the one pictured below. They stay in the port better and keep a stronger connection.

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Below is an example of a charger I would not buy. They come out of the port too easily and the connection isn't as strong. Unfortunately, it seems that most use this inferior (at least in my opinion) design.

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Old 04-09-2018, 11:33 AM   #4
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Oh snap! forgot about this thread

I'm wanting to charge an inergy Kodiak solar generator. I'm not sure if it has melted a receptacle but other things like a 12-volt portable oven has and a cord for a 12-volt iceless cooler (the plastic part that goes in the cig port) has melted. It takes a good while for the receptacle to go bad though.

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A portable oven or iceless cooler draw/suck too much current and the only reason for burning out outlets and plugs. Read ruley73's reply. If you cannot read the wattage or current ratings for each plug in device and determine you're overloading a 15 amp circuit then you'll set yourself up for an eventual fire at worst or damage wiring from excessive current use. Ovens and electronic ice coolers are not low current devices and require a dedicated line with heavy duty wiring and outlet capable of high current use. Cigarette lighter outlets are relabeled as power outlets but not for high amperage or continuous use at high current. Your solution, if you accept a simple suggestion, is to run a 10 or 8 gauge power wire from the battery, to a fuse, and the connect to a separate heavy duty outlet made for high current. Ground connection is either directly to chassis or another 10 or 8 gauge ground wire to chassis. You can create a 20-25 amp power outlet this way as long as you obey wiring rules on current handling issuing correct wire gauge and rated power outlet.

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Old 04-09-2018, 07:17 PM   #6
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Old 05-05-2018, 04:31 PM   #7
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What do you mean when you say "connect a power wire to a "fuse"? I'm guessing you mean something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/NOCO-GC018-Ad...pSrc=srch&th=1

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https://www.amazon.com/CUZEC-Adapter...W3NF2J7KRDH00M

I'm also thinking that little black box is a fuse? Don't think either have 8 or 10 gauge wire tho

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Old 05-05-2018, 06:17 PM   #8
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Ok, you seem to ignore questions about power needs. Based on your info, if the Inergy Kodiak Solar Generator is similar to the one below, some facts are known, based on their specs.

The Inergy Kodiak Solar Charger specs; Using a vehicle’s 12V DC socket (240 Watts) charges the Kodiak at 240W, taking approximately five hours to fully recharge. Using simple math whether its 12 volts/engine off or 14.5 volts/engine running, the 12.5v power outlet needs to supply 19.2 amps to recharge this unit. With engine running at 14.5v, this unit needs 16.5 amps. Both voltages simply means your outlet is overwhelmed and drawing more current than the fuse rating. Pulling 16.5 amps thru a power outlet is foolish no matter how often its done without blowing fuses. Wiring and sockets will cook sooner or later and with wiring bundles, burning other wires....... In your case, and if this is the unit you're using, a power outlet is the wrong place to plug in this unit and will damage wiring sooner or later. The hint of burned, melted power outlets is telling you "Stop plugging in this unit!?". A similar search for a portable 12v oven pulls 12 amps, right on the border of maximum current handling of most 15 amp outlets. Do not use the outlet or buy anything sold anywhere that doesn't use 8 gauge wiring and a separate fuse rated for 25 amps or more. The two examples you linked to are just an extension cord for the same problem that will burn up those two outlets and wiring because they're only 16 gauge. Yes, the black boxes are the housing for a fuse.

You need a separate 25 amp rated power outlet with 8-gauge wiring and 25 amp fuse to allow recharging your Kodiak Power unit.

This is one example of a heavy duty power outlet; https://www.amazon.com/Waterproof-He.../dp/B01N27WLI0. Rated for 25 amps at 12v. You have to use wiring appropriate for a 25 amp rated outlet. According to one site (https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/a...uge-d_730.html) 8-gauge wire, no more than 15 feet is recommended. To make this understandable, the 25 amp rated outlet should have at least one (red) wire no longer than 15 feet with a fused box holding a 25 amp fuse to power it. The (black) ground wire can be as short as a foot or more to connect to any nearby chassis for grounding the outlet. It isn't necessary to have two long lengths of 8-gauge wires, just one connecting directly to the battery positive post. The shorter black wire should be just long enough to connect directly to nearby chassis, the frame inside the car where the radio and hvac controls are mounted. Proper soldering, heat shrink tubing and a terminal to connect to battery positive. A plain ring terminal for ground to match 8-gauge wire.

What's suggested is the safest way to supply up to 25 amps of power, between 313 watts@12.5v to 365 watts@14.5v. If you insist on using the power outlet and ignore the hint of burned outlets, you're setting yourself up for an electrical fire inside whatever vehicle you're using to recharge the Kodiak Solar Generator or plugging in a portable oven.
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:07 AM   #9
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Thanks for all the helpful info. So, i did a little research and digging around based on your last reply and figured out what I need. I just wanna ask if the wire on the fuse holder should be the same gauge as the wire going from the battery to the 12 socket? I think I found one but the wire seems small even though it says its 8 gauge. Here is a link..

VOODOO (1) 8 Gauge ATC Inline Fuse Holder Fuseholder with cover and (2) 25 Amp https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CVNR1FN..._sJu9Ab637BT4W

Also, links to the wire and socket I'll use. Gonna try the socket you suggested..

Waterproof Heavy Duty 25 Amp 12V Socket And Plug High Power Outlet Lighter Type JD+#/rplg/pba https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N27WLI0..._C4u9AbGMBYBRD

InstallGear 8 Gauge 25ft Black and 25ft Red Power/Ground Wire True Spec and Soft Touch Cable https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N58Z7UX..._d5u9AbQ8P2973

For what I'm doing, would you suggest changing or adding anything? And yes that is the generator I'm using, inergy kodiak solar generator

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The VOODOO 25 amp inline fuse and 8-gauge wiring (short lengths on each side) is perfect with the other two items. You'll need butt connectors too, to join wires. Home Depot, Lowes, etc, have electrical aisles and should have the same cabling, butt connectors, tools, whatever. Shrink tubing or solvent type insulation applied wet to dry and form custom insulation. Soldering 8-gauge wires to butt connectors help ensure good electrical conductivity with large current hungry appliances. Crimping is good but doubling up with solder is better. If you have doubts, google power companies splicing very large cables, melting lead in pots to pour onto large copper cables heated with acetylene torch - soldering on a grand scale.

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My battery is in the trunk so is it ok to connect the 8 gauge wire to the post under the hood? If so, how? Here is a pic. Kept getting an error so used a third party site

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What would I use to connect the wire to this terminal? Went to lowes and they didn't have anything smaller than 10 gauge but splices. Gonna go to an electric store or something

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1- Remove the cover to the fuse box to expose that remote start terminal. You'll find the trunk battery (red) cable and a second cable (starter) attached there. Disconnect battery negative first (in the trunk) before the next step. After disconnecting battery negative, remove that long stud so you can attach your 8 gauge wire. If Home Depot, Lowes or other super store doesn't have 8 gauge terminals, try auto electric shops or auto stereo stores.

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Can't find any 8 gauge wire strippers anywhere. Don't even think amazon has any. Do you know if the self adjusting ones will adjust to 8 gauge? A girl at an o'reilly store (over the phone) said they are but I'm having doubts about that. Is 8 gauge rare to have to deal with or something? Gonna look for stereo shops in the meanwhile

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Wire stripping is a science. It ain't rocket science but there's the easy way using tools made to strip insulation around wires or with a little familiarity and a box cutter or sharp knife, manually cutting insulation. Google may have write ups as well as YouTube videos to manually strip insulation. Good stripping doesn't cut into wires. A few cut strands during a learning phase can help you become adept without resorting to having tools to do it for you.

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Hey, I hooked this up to batteries hoooked up in series. Is there a bad effect doing it like that somehow? Should i just hook it into one of the 2 batteries instead?

Also. I had to replace the fuse holder I got from amazon as it was faulty. Got one from a man that runs a electric repair shop. He's the one that sold me a better type of fuse holder and soldered the receptacle to the 8 gauge wire.

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I'm not following your descriptions. Can you post pictures as suggested in post #12, suggestion #2? If you trust the person from the electric repair shop, maybe he can help you.

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You can see the red wire on the left and black on right goin into 2 different batteries. Both batteries are hooked up together in series... or parallel if thats the better term. Its a school bus
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Ok, some clarity. In general, batteries wired in parallel (red to red, black to black) remain as 12 volts. When wired in series (one set of wires connected red to black and the two remaining battery terminals wired to car/truck/suv/aircraft/whatever, becomes a 24 volt power supply). Presuming your car like millions of cars are 12v systems, wiring two batteries in parallel keeps power at 12 volts.

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