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Old 05-13-2018, 04:54 PM   #1
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Hello saturn boards first time posting. I am having a few issues pin pointing what could be causing my l200 to not start. I was driving my 2002 l200 with 188,000+ miles when the battery light came on and the car suddenly shut down and came to a stall.

The car is able to crank (Replaced battery with new one), but no start.

Checked all colored fuses and appeared fine, not too sure about the black relays. Spark plugs were recently changed, and about 2 years back I ad a fuel filter replaced.

When car is in the on position without cranking, it just shows a battery light and abs light.

Any help would be appreciated!

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Old 05-13-2018, 06:11 PM   #2
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Three things make engines run - air, fuel and spark. Assuming air is ingested during starting leaves fuel and spark to troubleshoot. The easiest way to test both at the same time with two different results is to spray starting fluid or fuel into throttle then try starting again. By spraying starting fluid into throttle, one of two results will occur. Either the engine starts up or not. If the engine starts up, a fuel issue is the problem. If the engine doesn't start up, the ignition system generating spark is the problem.

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Old 05-13-2018, 06:40 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply, will try this tonight!

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Old 05-13-2018, 07:06 PM   #4
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Beware of one issue creating another problem - flooding the engine after several failed starting attempts. All EFI systems are smart enough to know how much fuel is needed whether for starting or running. One exception - starting not resulting in an instant start. Several starting attempts without the engine firing up can flood the engine with excessive fuel, drowning spark. The solution, if the battery isn't run down, is to hold throttle wide open, pedal to floor for subsequent startups. This tells the engine computer to shut off injectors while allowing air to dilute the excess fuel to allow a sputtering startup. Flood clear mode.

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Old 05-14-2018, 06:59 PM   #5
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That is about the mileage our fuel pump went. When you turn the key to the "on" position do you hear the fuel pump run? It's a slight hum for less than a second when the key is turned on.

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Old 05-16-2018, 02:20 PM   #6
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Hello again, still no luck when spraying starter fluid. I can hear the humming noise. Re checked all relays,cleaned contacts/ corrosion and fuses and nothing.

Starting to think it could be the timing chain that gave out? Im hearing a small rattling noise and a little plume of white smoke come from the engine when trying to turn over.

Funny thing is the car was running perfect about a week ago with no issues what so ever.

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Old 05-16-2018, 02:26 PM   #7
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Your next step would be to do a compression check. No compression would indicate a broken chain.

Do a search in this forum and you will find several threads on how to do this.

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Old 05-25-2018, 10:34 PM   #8
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Update: Took the car in to a mechanic and he stated that it did not have compression. His reason was due to a headgasket/valve problem. Seemed fishy and did not follow through with any repairs. The car has never overheated,regular oil changes, and was idling perfect without Any issues prior.

The only product I put in the vehicle was k seal for the radiator since it had a small leak 2 months ago, and coolant reservoir had a little bit of a light orange tint(not milky or no oil mixing).

Still puzzled since he never mentioned anything about the timing chain...

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A low compression issue is easily provable. All one has to do is watch the compression gauge as the engine is being cranked by the starter. Find a way to respectfully ask him to show you the test in your presence so that you could see the results for yourself on the gauge. If he's a reasonably decent person it shouldn't bother him too much to help allay your concerns.

The fact that the mechanic said nothing about the timing chain is not a concern at this point. What will verify the cause of the problem after re-confirming the low compression is a deeper visual inspection.

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When an engine suddenly loses compression in all cylinders or most of them, there's a distinct new sound from starting. Everyone knows how their engine sounds when starting up, the typical whir whir whir. If this sound changes to a higher pitch and seems to sound as if starting is faster, this new sound is one way to tell if compression is lost. Engine compression means every cylinder resists the turning of the crankshaft as pressure builds up before spark ignites this pressurized fuel/air mixture. Losing compression simply means way less resistance to turning over the engine during starting and hearing the starter seemingly turn faster as a higher pitched sound.

An old school compression test may apply without need of a compression gauge if the spark plug hole isn't blocked - putting a thumb over the hole while someone cranks the engine. A thumb covering the spark plug hole will be forced off as good compression builds up immediately. If a thumb can't fit due to deep spark plug wells, listening for air rushing out during startup is another way. The best way is to use a compression gauge to see actual pressure buildup. AutoZone has free loaner tools and equipment.

Coming back to lack of starting after spraying starter fluid suggests either a dead ignition system not producing spark or a combination of flooded engine washing off any oil in cylinders to kill compression. Removing spark plugs can tell you if fuel is being injected because plugs should smell of fuel. This also presents an opportunity to test for spark with plugs removed.

With plugs and ignition coil pack removed, reassemble everything over the engine and connected to wiring with plug bases wired to engine block ground. Remove the fuel pump fuse and have someone startup. The engine will spin up fast without plugs preventing compression buildup while you observe for spark on each plug.

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Old 05-26-2018, 10:13 AM   #11
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Update: Took the car in to a mechanic and he stated that it did not have compression. His reason was due to a headgasket/valve problem. Seemed fishy and did not follow through with any repairs. The car has never overheated,regular oil changes, and was idling perfect without Any issues prior.
He should have shown you if it had the compression or lack of compression. Then take to second shop to verify problems.

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The only product I put in the vehicle was k seal for the radiator since it had a small leak 2 months ago, and coolant reservoir had a little bit of a light orange tint(not milky or no oil mixing).
Never will say this Again Never use Radiator sealant this will get into the engine itself and cause unforseen issues. Replacing the Radiator is Best Option here.

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Still puzzled since he never mentioned anything about the timing chain...
He won't check what you didn't ask him, most mechanics only check if you approve them to check.

What you need to do is check your battery connections for corrison and broken wires and then have the mech look at the start for possible starter problems or failures. Battery light signs are of dead ALT or poor battery to ALT connections. So you will have to do some user trouble shooting before it goes to a shop to know your in/out of your Saturn as well.

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