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Old 03-08-2005, 12:33 AM   #41
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Default Re: Just changed Cam Cover gasket

Ive been having an issue for a while now with oil in those 2 plugs. Ive also had a problem when im coming to a stop and i push the (new) clutch in it fluctuates in revs. Like ill stop and my normal is around 850rpm but itll drop from there to like 200rpm then up and down a couple times before it either levels out at 850 or it stalls. Could a deteriorating gasket be causing this? Oh and by the way the plug beside the timing chain was like black soup in a plug tube!! lol i think its time for that gasket eh?

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Old 03-12-2005, 03:01 AM   #42
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Ive also had a problem when im coming to a stop and i push the (new) clutch in it fluctuates in revs. Like ill stop and my normal is around 850rpm but itll drop from there to like 200rpm then up and down a couple times before it either levels out at 850 or it stalls. Could a deteriorating gasket be causing this?
That sounds like a problem with the EGR valve.

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Old 04-11-2005, 01:41 PM   #43
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Question Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

For a 96 SL1 SOHC I will need a T-40? And how many ft.-lbs or is it in-lbs.? Please help I am losing too much oil. A quart every 750 miles. Thanks in advance.

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Old 04-11-2005, 01:54 PM   #44
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For a 96 SL1 SOHC I will need a T-40? And how many ft.-lbs or is it in-lbs.? Please help I am losing too much oil. A quart every 750 miles. Thanks in advance.
S-Series Torque Specifications, 1996 Cam Cover Bolt: 89 In-Lbs (10 Nm)

Divide by 12 inches/foot to convert from in-lbs to ft-lbs (89 in-lbs / 12 in/ft = 7.4 ft-lbs).

Note: Most ft-lb torque wrenches are NOT accurate at this low a setting. Hence the advice to use an in-lb torque wrench for greater accuracy.

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Old 04-11-2005, 02:07 PM   #45
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Default Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

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For a 96 SL1 SOHC I will need a T-40? And how many ft.-lbs or is it in-lbs.? Please help I am losing too much oil. A quart every 750 miles. Thanks in advance.
The leaking valve cover gasket will account for some of your oil loss, perhaps a few ounces, but I seriously doughty it could account for that much. (1 quart per 750 miles). Before doing the valve cover try to find what else is using oil, otherwise you may just be wasting your time. You may even end up doing the whole job over again after replacing the valve guides, etc.

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Old 05-25-2005, 12:01 PM   #46
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Default Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

I am another lucky winner of oil in the spark plug wells. I am re-doing the gasket for my parents 93 SW2. I can't seem to figure out how to disconnect the EGR solonoid from its wires. Can I remove the bolt connecting the EGR to the valve cover leaving the vacume lines and wires connected to the EGR?

Sorry if thats too much of a noob question, I drive and maintain my 626, unfourtunatly, my parents drive this poor saturn into the ground...

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Old 05-25-2005, 11:34 PM   #47
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Default Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

you can i beleave. just make sure its out of way when you put the cover back on or it will be a RTV mess.

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Old 08-24-2005, 10:39 AM   #48
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Default Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

After installing the Saturn pre-fab gasket on the composite cover, do I have to have the engine idle for a certain period of time for the gasket to "heat cure"? I replaced the gasket on my 97 SC2 the other day and found a nice leak on the divers side.. arg.. looks like I will be doing the job again.

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Old 08-24-2005, 11:22 PM   #49
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Default Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

try checking the torque again. to tight or to loose can cause leaks, and after a few heat cycles gaskets can "set" for lack of a better term and need retorqued.

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Old 09-20-2005, 06:53 PM   #50
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I saw in my Haynes manual to torque the bolts to 89 in. lbs. which works out to just over 7 ft. lbs. 8 sounds about right. Also...u say

"BOTH Engines, take the cover inside and WASH IT with dish soap and water until COMPLETELY oil and dirt free, use a scotch brite pad or putty knife to remove ALL TRACES of old RTV from the cover. Set aside to dry."

Better to get a large plastic container with a lid to wash the valve cover, then take it to a garage where they can dispose of the waste 'soapy-oil' properly. That of have a friend take you to your local mechanic and have him clean it out for you...Don't just wash it out in your bathtub, letting the oil drain in the sewer system.

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Old 09-20-2005, 07:01 PM   #51
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"I just did this procedure on my car over the weekend, and the Haynes manual says to snug the bolts down to 22 ft lbs. Is Haynes in error with this?"

Well, I hope it was a SOHC! That one IS 22 ft.lbs. The DOHC is 89 in.lbs...about 8 ft.lbs. So the Haynes manual is right, just hope you're working on the right valve cover

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Old 09-26-2005, 04:07 AM   #52
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Default Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

Changed the gasket recently on my car with an aluminum cover, and have just 2 cents to add. I saved money by not using a gasket, just RTV. Reading other posts here where the preformed rubber gaskets leak later, I did not want to risk it, and an RTV-only seal pretty much means no leaking.

However, after removing the cover with the factory gasket and seeing how easy it was to remove and how there was no RTV to clean off the head surface, I had second thoughts. If I ever have to do this again, I'm guessing it's going to be a lot harder, both removing the cover and cleaning. Using a razor to cut through the RTV will work, but not sure how easy it will be to get a razor around some spots. Then, I'll have to clean RTV from the head surface. Around the back and timing chain side, there's not a lot of space for scrubbing.

Also, to remove old RTV, I used gasket remover which warns "do not get on painted or non-metal surfaces." Even though I was very careful when spraying this on the cover flange, some did drip down and ate the silver cover paint. With more patience, using brake clean and more scrubbing should be fine.

No leaks, so I'm good for now. If I ever have to take the cover off again, it'll probably be for more major work, so I'll let the mechanics deal with the now glued-down cover.

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Old 09-26-2005, 09:51 AM   #53
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Default Re: S-Series Camcover Gasket Replacement

You're absolutely right...the next poor ******* that has to do the job you just did incorrectly over will have a hell of a time. Should have just spent the money for the right gasket.

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Old 09-27-2005, 01:23 PM   #54
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You're absolutely right...the next poor ******* that has to do the job you just did incorrectly over will have a hell of a time. Should have just spent the money for the right gasket.
He's talking about the aluminum cover that has no gasket, right? Mine didn't.

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Old 09-27-2005, 02:55 PM   #55
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He's talking about the aluminum cover that has no gasket, right? Mine didn't.
YES IT DOES ALL SATURN CAM COVERS HAVE GASKETS. The aluminum cam cover has a preformed gasket that you buy and install, just like it came from the factory. OR, you can be a hack and RTV the hell out of it until it leaks again and have a huge mess on your hands. Your cam cover most certainly DID have a gasket on it from the factory.

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Old 09-30-2005, 05:06 AM   #56
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one tip I found that helps you not overtighten the cam cover bolts is the following. put a few drops of oil in the bolt shank prior to inserting it into the rubber washer/gasket. this makes it a lot easier for the bolt to turn inside of that. without the oil, there is a lot of friction, and you can't "feel" how tight the bolt is getting. the required TQ value is so low on those bolts that the friction between the bolt and the rubber piece makes getting an accurate TQ reading very hard. my $0.02...

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Old 10-02-2005, 07:50 AM   #57
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Hi folks, new member, took a first look under the black DOHC cover on my step-daughter's Saturn yesterday. (Darn fast and easy, my ride is a 98 Outback and you don't want to have to dive for heads on that boxer.)
She had oil flooding the #1 plug hole. I've just read all of this thread.

I removed the cover easily, but I could not easily get the old gasket off. I quit trying rather than rip anything up, so I just closed it back up again.
I think I'll pop it again, clean everything, and put in a thin bead of the black stuff.

Is there a trick to removing the old gasket? I couldn't even get a knife tip between it and the cover.

In other news, I'm also going to try to swap out the temp sensor, which is the other issue I've been reading about here.

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Old 10-02-2005, 07:55 AM   #58
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The cam cover gasket on the later model S Series with the black cover DOES NOT USE RTV. There is a rubber gasket and O-rings for the spark plug wells. It sits in a groove on the cover, DON'T be a hack and just RTV it. Grab the gasket with some pliers and pull it out, it will be hard and brittle. Spray it down with some brakleen, insert the new gasket and torque the bolts back down.

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Old 10-08-2005, 08:26 AM   #59
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Just as a follow-up, I haven't done the gasket yet. I replaced the temp sensor and the car is running well again, so now it's "wait and see" if simply opening, cleaning, and re-torquing will solve the #1 plug well flooding. I may get a chance to check it today (it's about 30 miles away). Meanwhile I told my step-daughter to keep an eye out for leaks.

I have no idea how long it was flooding like that, she just started using the car about 6 weeks ago and they said it was idle for about 2 years before that. So, ??? I'll keep you posted.

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