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Old 11-12-2013, 01:29 AM   #21
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P0171 is bank 1 lean right? It could also be a vacuum leak..

and Jerry I used that o2 sensor I linked, works just fine.
Thanks for the info, adventureoflink! Come to think of it, when I took out the old O2 sensor, it almost came out with "finger pressure". Hardly a wrench needed! Possible leak there? I made sure the new one was in tighter.

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Thanks for the info, adventureoflink! Come to think of it, when I took out the old O2 sensor, it almost came out with "finger pressure". Hardly a wrench needed! Possible leak there? I made sure the new one was in tighter.
If the old sensor could come out by hand and no tools whatsoever I'd suspect a leak, let alone other things... dunno why it would just come out by hand in the first place, normally those things are a BEE-YATCH to remove, even Richpin suggests penetrating oil and/or letting the car warm up for two minutes before removing...

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If it came out by hand then that is why you got the P171 code. The old sensor is probably perfectly fine so don't throw it away. Put it into a plastic bag and save it.

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Old 11-12-2013, 07:04 AM   #24
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If the old sensor could come out by hand and no tools whatsoever I'd suspect a leak, let alone other things... dunno why it would just come out by hand in the first place, normally those things are a BEE-YATCH to remove, even Richpin suggests penetrating oil and/or letting the car warm up for two minutes before removing...

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Well, I exaggerated a little on the force needed to removed the old sensor. I probably couldn't have just used my fingers but when I slipped on the wrench, there was next to no resistance for taking it out. Sort of like I had "finger tightened" it really hard but that's about it.

Just wondering why it didn't throw a dashboard code but at least I did feel it in performance. Biggest performance problem was "sputtering" when just taking off. I guess I was just so used to not doing anything on the car for so long, I took it for granted and just enjoyed the ride. Hey, pay now or pay later, huh.

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If it came out by hand then that is why you got the P171 code. The old sensor is probably perfectly fine so don't throw it away. Put it into a plastic bag and save it.
Too late and besides, by the time I got done screwing with it, trying to get a reading with my multimeter and blow torch, I think I fried it anyway. I did try it in the car after that and I tried tightening it down but the car's performance was noticeably worse. As mentioned, running like a top now! (just glad the sensor is cheap) Thank you!

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I hope this one its in tight...

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Old 11-12-2013, 08:22 AM   #27
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I hope this one its in tight...
Well, I watched richpin's video before the process and even though he recommended not torqueing down too hard, after I put the anti-seize on the threads, I didn't "baby" the installation. Let's just say, "it's snug".

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They have something like a spark plug washer and you can feel it squash. They go in until the washer quits squashing. Do need to inspect washer before installing to verify it is the crush type, like the ones on spark plugs.

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They have something like a spark plug washer and you can feel it squash. They go in until the washer quits squashing. Do need to inspect washer before installing to verify it is the crush type, like the ones on spark plugs.
Yes, I did notice the spark plug like washer. In a few years, when I take this one off, I'll hopefully not have to use PB Buster.

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good to see the old girl is still serving you well

While I agree with OldNuc that the MAP does not need replacing as preventative maintenance, especially with an aftermarket MAP, if you have time and access to cheap parts at a junkyard, they can be fun to play with

Some links here at DIYguy's thread on IAT and sidegapping
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[QUOTE=alordofchaos;2021504]good to see the old girl is still serving you well

While I agree with OldNuc that the MAP does not need replacing as preventative maintenance, especially with an aftermarket MAP, if you have time and access to cheap parts at a junkyard, they can be fun to play with

My local pick and pull is having a half off sale at the end of this month. Think I'll visit and "gather" a few items. Thanks for the info.

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I have to throw this into the pile-

At the present time I am running an OEM-style (Denso) O2 sensor. But I have run Bosch universals for years on lots of cars including my wife's truck and the SC2 before this one (I change the SC2's about every 2 years due to my commuting miles).

I have never had any problems with the Bosch universals provided the connections are done correctly. But if you can get the OEM style with the pre-attached connector for a couple of bucks more, or are uncomfortable making secure splices, by all means buy the OEM one. No argument whatsoever from me about that.

I tried the Denso last change as an experiment. I honestly cannot tell any difference compared to the cheap Bosch spliced-on universal that preceded it. No mileage improvements, no difference in power or smoothness or emissions, nothing. You pay your money and take your choice. Just saying.......

Since alordofchaos mentioned it, I am still getting 40+mpg fill after fill. The mods are holding up quite well even with the slowly deteriorating fall weather and ever worsening traffic around here.


And as others have already mentioned, you should NOT change the MAP sensor unless it is actually broken (you'll know it). It is definitely not a PM item.

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Thanks for the info, DIYguy! Good to get support about not changing the MAP sensor too. Your write up, in the before-listed link, is great. (Wish I had just 10 percent of you master's knowledge, here on Saturn fans!)

Oh, just checked the price on a junk yard MAP sensor. Ordinarily $40! Lots more than I ever expected. But half off on the upcoming sale day wouldn't be bad, especially if I could find one in a car with low mileage.

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Thanks, but I defer to the real masters of the site.

I am merely willing to experiment and am not afraid to modify and customize whenever it suits me. Like almost any other hot rodder or hot rodder wannabee.....

Not all of these experiments work out (as I have posted many times).
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Thanks, but I defer to the real masters of the site.

I am merely willing to experiment and am not afraid to modify and customize whenever it suits me. Like almost any other hot rodder or hot rodder wannabee.....

Not all of these experiments work out (as I have posted many times).
But some do.

Either way, I am only reporting what I have learned....... (occasionally the hard way ).
Well, thank you for sharing the results of your tests! This board is the best on the Web, thanks to people like you, fdryer, OldNuc, richpin, etc. and everyone else who contributes their knowledge.

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Thanks. Let's not forget Luke, Wolfman and others who have moved on but left their marks here, and list goes on and on.

Yes, IMHO this is the best site of its kind on the web.

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Follow up-----------After installing the new O2 sensor, a new IAC, cleaning the EGR and running a bottle of fuel injector cleaner through the gas----the car now runs like a brand new car! Fun to drive again. New carpet coming and the ole girl will look like new too. (Been an awfully good car for me for about a decade) Thanks for everyone's help and Happy Thanksgiving!

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That's great. Glad to hear it.

As it turns out, I just replaced the O2 sensors on both the SC2 and my wife's truck last weekend. I used OEM-style Delphi sensors from RockAuto.

The truck sees maybe 2500 miles a year but it hadn't been changed in about 8 years. It was idling a little funky. With the new O2 sensor it smoothed out very nicely. Huge difference.

The SC2 had about 35,000 miles on the Denso. The new one did make a difference. It seems to have a little more pep at highway speeds now. Otherwise no big change. Just preventative maintenance.

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That's great. Glad to hear it.

As it turns out, I just replaced the O2 sensors on both the SC2 and my wife's truck last weekend. I used OEM-style Delphi sensors from RockAuto.

The truck sees maybe 2500 miles a year but it hadn't been changed in about 8 years. It was idling a little funky. With the new O2 sensor it smoothed out very nicely. Huge difference.

The SC2 had about 35,000 miles on the Denso. The new one did make a difference. It seems to have a little more pep at highway speeds now. Otherwise no big change. Just preventative maintenance.

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Good to hear it. Did either one give you a code, indicating the O2 sensors were not performing well??

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The only codes are failure, there are no codes for any primary sensor related to inaccuracy.

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