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Old 08-24-2017, 06:10 PM   #1
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Default 07 ion water pump replacement... timing chain also?

My car started rattling so i took it to this shop to find the water pump need to be replaced. Does anything else need to be replaced or is automatically replaced along with the water pump? Is it the timing chain thats making the rattling sound?

How much does this usually cost to get repaired?
Wanted to try and repair it myself but seems to serious. Was told by the mechanic who diagnosed it to not drive it but its all i have and i gotta get around. I called a gm dealer and he mentioned a pipe and a seal saying i might want to replace those as well.

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Old 08-24-2017, 06:29 PM   #2
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Default Re: 07 ion water pump replacement... timing chain also?

Good Advise from your mechanic. Do not drive that car. If it is the timing chain and it breaks, you will be looking at serious damage to the engine.

How many miles on that engine?

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Old 08-25-2017, 06:53 AM   #3
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95600 miles on it

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Old 08-25-2017, 07:16 AM   #4
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not drive it but its all i have and i gotta get around.
When the timing chain breaks( a real possibility) you definitely won't be getting around. Engine will self destruct.
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Ask mech for warranty. No? Walk away and find one that will. CAll around for local prices.

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Old 08-25-2017, 07:19 AM   #5
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Wanted to try and repair it myself
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Have you ever worked on an ECOtec motor?
Do you have a service manual and specialized tools needed?
DOne a TIMING CHAIN job?
Watched YOutube vids( many) on the subject?

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Old 08-25-2017, 02:17 PM   #6
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Default Re: 07 ion water pump replacement... timing chain also?

Never done this type of work. Is the timing chain typically changed with the water pump or could it be just the timing chain? What indicates the water pump needing to be replaced? The rattling?

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Old 08-25-2017, 03:23 PM   #7
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Never done this type of work. Is the timing chain typically changed with the water pump or could it be just the timing chain? What indicates the water pump needing to be replaced? The rattling?
^^^ Typically, water pumps leak at the weep hole or the main bearing goes bad which can cause various types of noises. Rattling, knocking, squeaking the list can go on for the types of noises you might hear from a bad pump.


You have received good service from that water pump with over 95K miles. Regardless of what is making the noise, it would be wise to replace it.

Timing chains many times do not give any warning. They can and will just break and destroy the engine. Sometimes they will give out a death rattle warning but not always.

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Old 08-25-2017, 03:49 PM   #8
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Never done this type of work.?
THen I wouldn't start now. Dig in to the many Ytube vids on changing Tchain/Balance chain/WP on an ECOtec if not swayed.

FArm it out to someone that guarantys their work at least 6 mos/6000 miles.

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Old 08-25-2017, 03:58 PM   #9
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What indicates the water pump needing to be replaced? The rattling?
Time and ease of access during a Tchain job is enough to warrant a new one.
>>> compared to when the motor's buttoned back up and the WP takes a dump.

THe cost is minimal compared to the labor and inconvenience at that point. Do it with all the Tchain RnR or wait for an unscheduled time when you least expect it.
Do you have time for homework?
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...2+timing+chain
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Old 12-27-2017, 10:38 AM   #10
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Default Re: 07 ion water pump replacement... timing chain also?

So ive been driving this car the whole time and still haven't repaired it. It has gotten a lot worse as far as sound and car has also shut of at traffic lights and stop signs but inly like a hand full of times. The soud lessens after an oil change but seems its already getti g back louder. Sonds lik a fan rubbing against something.

Anyway, i took it to 2 more mechanics and the said it doesn't seem like a water pump problem

While one mechanic carges over $100 for a diagnosis and the cost of that goes towards repair costs.

The other hooks his code reader up and gets 3 or 4 codes and says which one he thinks repairing "might" fix the problem. He says it could be something as simple as the gas cap needing to be replaced or spark plugs.

Isn't the diagnosis supposed to pinpoint whats wrong with a vehicle or is it just hit or miss?

2 thing he mentioned as far as the codes were:
Throttle position sensor
Engine misfire

A third one i forget.

Any thoughts?

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Old 12-27-2017, 10:53 AM   #11
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The chain may have already jumped one link if it is dying at stop lights or at least very slack due to bad guide or tensioner. You can either buy another car or try to get that fixed. Fixing with new chains, sprockets, guides and water pump will cost about $1000 depending on where you live and the market. Be sure mechanic is very knowledgeable about Ecotec engines and they must give you a warranty or walk away because there is potential for mistakes. If the chain breaks, the engine is destroyed. You'll have to pay towing costs to get it to junkyard and they might give you $120 for it. If you have a poor track record of oil changes, I would not repair this engine. BTW no diagnostic machine (code reader) will tell you anything regarding chains, waterpumps, chain guides or tensioners.

You are on borrowed time at this point. My recommendation is to get another car unless the rest of your Saturn is in super good shape and you are willing to gamble on the repair.

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Old 12-27-2017, 11:46 AM   #12
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WOW! A new car?? This car, despite the "problem(s)" I'm having still runs pretty good. And it looks decent after 10 years. Although I have been thinking of getting a new car

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WOW! A new car?? This car, despite the "problem(s)" I'm having still runs pretty good. And it looks decent after 10 years. Although I have been thinking of getting a new car
I went through a similar situation, trying to keep one of these running forever. I did the chain, guides, waterpump, tensioner, thermostat.... complete tuneup. I probably spent close to $2500. Then the engine threw a rod a locked up 12,000 miles later. There was no noise or engine misbehavior prior to the failure. My goal was to make it to 250,000 miles or more. To fix it with a low mileage used engine was $4500, but then I thought about it and figured I would be doing the same work all over again at 100,000 miles.

All I can say is that these cars are great up until about 100,000 to 150,000 miles, but when they start failing, you better have deep pockets. Some people report doing much better but I think they change the oil every 3,000 miles or only do highway driving.

Your running Saturn might fetch $1500 or better depending on the condition. A dead Saturn (with blown engine) won't get you much more than junkyard salvage which is about $120 at current salvage prices. My pristine Saturn Vue with a bad engine sold for $300 and was purchased by a Saturn specialist who restores these. Whatever choice you make... best of luck.

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I found a mechanic on Craigslist and he said he charges 100 dollars to diagnose but it goes towards repair costs. I told him the problems i had and he said it sounds like a bad head gasket. A newer more recent problem is my a/c stopped blowing cold air and while on the temp gauge went up higher than usual, a little past half way. Normally its a little under half. However, the heater still worked but a few days later i noticed the temp gauge was all the way up, after noticing weird behavior from the engine. Both times the car was sitting in a parking lot running idle. The heater still works at the moment so i dont know if thats what caused it to over heat the second time, in which i turned the car off until it went back down to normal temp.

He mentioned the head gasket over the phone but in person he said he knew it because he saw that i had water in my oil. I thold him i had my oil changed less than a month ago and he said it shouldn't be as thin as it was.

I told him another person said i need to replace my water pump. He said it doesn't sound like a water pump problem but after explaining everything he said he might need to.
He said he'll charge me 180 to replace the water pump first to see if that fixes the problem to "save me money" but im wondering if he might act like he did but just pocket the 180 knowing there was really no problem as far as that, since shops I've called for an estimate for that particular job charged from 700 up to more that 1000 dollars.

Does this sound fishy?

By the way, I am running the heater with no problem since the first time it overheated while doing so.

The estimated total he said it would cost is around 700 dollars and thats fot the head gasket, thermostat and water pump repair

What do you guys think?

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1) If you're concerned that your money might be taken without a repair being performed, then ask the mechanic to save ALL of the old parts for you. If he's honest then this will be of no trouble for him.
2) His complete repair cost for the head gasket, water pump, and thermostat is very reasonable.
3) Is your engine cooling fan (or fans) working? It (or they) should engage whenever the A/C is turned on.
4) Unless the water pump is leaking or the bearing has become noisey, there is probably nothing wrong with it.
5) Checking for a blown head gasket can also be verified by using a tester that senses exhaust gases within cooling system. This is not difficult.

The fact that you're experiencing tremendous increases with engine temperature is a major concern. This must be corrected immediately, otherwise even greater internal engine damage may await you. IMO, the vehicle shouldn't be driven any more until repairs have corrected this problem.

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Old 01-17-2018, 09:14 AM   #16
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Well, when i have the heat running a hear what I assume is the radiator fan go on and off very frequently. Dont think it did that before. I'm not sure if its a fan but it seems like it. Sounds like the rpm goes up for about 15 seconds than goes back to normal for 15 to 30 seconds and repeats. Stops instantly when i turn the heat off. Will a bad thermostat affect the way the heat works?

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Also when tge "fan" kicks on its kind of ruff causing a little vibration until it goes back off. This is what i felt when i noticed my temp gauge was a little higher than usual the first time, over the half way mark, as opposed to a little under the half way mark like normal

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An increase in RPM when the heater is on will occur if the mode (vent) selector is set past the "12 o'clock" position to the right by a few "clicks" as this automatically engages the air conditioner which, in turn, raises the engine idle speed. As for how well the heater will work when the thermostat is bad - its ability generate warm air - that answer varies depending upon which position the thermostat has failed at: stuck open or stuck closed. In your case, and if the thermostat is bad, it would be stuck in the closed position which means that the antifreeze mixture is not circulating into the radiator to allow that fluid to cool. This would mean that hot fluid is always present within the heater core and therefore warm air is available to be circulated within the passenger compartment. If the thermostat has failed in this way then it becomes very easy to overheat the engine!

If there seems to be some other movement which is noticeable when the cooling fan is in operation then perhaps its mounting bracket is damaged. However, regardless of whether or not my thoughts concerning specific behaviors of your vehicle are correct, the fact remains that you have a very serious repair concern which must be addressed immediately.

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I took my car to a shop to get it diagnosed today, again (not by same person). The guy told me it wouldn't be in my best interest to repair it but it was up to me. Mentioned water in the engine/oil but i told him what the last guy told me as far as that. He said best case scenario $2000 would be the cost. Worst case, 3 to $5000! He said it could be the head gasket or the engine block. Would the engine block be more to repair/replace? I'm thinking yea..

The other guy said $700 for the water pump and head gasket. The guy from today said i might want to get a new car. Also mention over 600 to replace the throttling censor. At the end ove the day he said he really didn't know why the oil had water in it but it would cost 1000 dollars to tear things apart and find out exactly what was wrong

What would you guys do. My credit isn't looking pretty at the moment so i dont know how hard it will be to get a new car, especially if I can't find a cosigner.

I read another thread where a guy out a lot ove money into his ion and a short while later it threw a rod. Should i take a chance with paying 700? Would you?

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When they said they found water in the oil what do you mean? It's perfectly normal for some condensation to occur in the valve cover during cool weather. Some mechanics don't realize this and incorrectly tell the customer they have water in their oil when they see this.

As far as your trouble codes go, watch the linked video below.

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