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Old 06-26-2014, 10:08 AM   #61
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Default Re: Lo Idle AC mystery solved.

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I mentioned that to the person at tech choice and he claimed there is something internal with the valve that goes bad

how far out did your cover plate stick out when you put it back on? i had hardly any resistance on this one
I don't recall how far diamond plate was sticking out when I put the bolts in.

I couldn't argue with experts (Tech Choice) and I've read of at least one member restoring low RPM A/C by replacing just the valve.

Regarding length - see the pix of old and new spring.

I note identical height for each. However, there's a 10 pound difference in force needed to compress.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:17 AM   #62
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received the valve from tech choice today, valve only no spring....asked tues if spring was included and was told yes, when i called today was told sorry no longer included....that said
I got mine from here late last week and it came with new spring, filter and gasket. I have not mounted it yet.

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Old 07-06-2014, 01:22 PM   #63
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Default Same problem I believe

Ok I have a 2005 Saturn Vue with the 4 cylinder 2.2L engine.

Same symtoms as most. First there was no AC when car was at idel. But when given gas it worked fine.

Now this year it has no AC at all.

I have ordered everything I need except for the Scroll Valve.

I read here the valve for the 3.5 is the same as the 2.2

Before I spend the money I took a pick of the back of my AC compressor.

I believe it is the same just want everyone's opinion.

Thank you all
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Old 07-07-2014, 11:18 AM   #64
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Default Re: Lo Idle AC mystery solved.

It is certainly worth changing the scroll valve, you are still going to have to recharge the system anyways so give it a shot.

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Old 07-11-2014, 08:35 PM   #65
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Just had one installed on my 2005 Vue with a 3.5L engine and its back to normal.
It was a bit of a job getting to the back plate housing but after 3 hours it was worth it now the shop who installed it now has a some new info that they never heard of.

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Old 07-11-2014, 09:15 PM   #66
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Default Re: Lo Idle AC mystery solved.

piece of cake on the 2.2, try and get a kit with the spring, mine did not

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Old 07-12-2014, 10:07 AM   #67
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Default Here is an update

Ok I got the kit which came with the valve spring gasket and some kind of plastic skinny piece. I changed them all.

I applied a vacuum to the system

Then recharged

Now at first there was nothing then after about fifteen minutes I decided to give it some gas.

To my amazement there was air conditioning , but when I took my foot off of the gas it wa back to no AC

I am baffled.

Dont get me wrong I am happy I got some ac back but I still would like to figure why it wont blow cold air at idle.

I am open to any suggestions

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Old 07-13-2014, 07:37 AM   #68
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Default Re: Lo Idle AC mystery solved.

Ok I decided to tr it again.

So I evacuate the system.

I apply a vacuum

I add the R134A

Same results. AC only when I give the car gas.

Can someone tell me the AC pressure readings please.

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Old 07-13-2014, 10:22 AM   #69
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Default Re: Lo Idle AC mystery solved.

who did you order the kit thru? is the fan kicking in low speed when the air is on? it should be and it helps at idle, problem would be reisister now

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Old 07-13-2014, 02:51 PM   #70
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who did you order the kit thru? is the fan kicking in low speed when the air is on? it should be and it helps at idle, problem would be reisister now
Got the part from here acpartshouse

My Saturn has the one Giant fan mounted on the radiator. It does not kick in when I first turn the AC on.

Which resistor are you talking about and how would I test if if is bad

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Old 07-15-2014, 08:20 AM   #71
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who did you order the kit thru? is the fan kicking in low speed when the air is on? it should be and it helps at idle, problem would be reisister now
Not to be a bother but did you get my last message

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Old 07-15-2014, 08:24 AM   #72
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You know this has me wondering.

I like to think that I have a pretty good understanding of how AC system works.

Now I see that on my Saturn the AC compressor os running all the time.

If this is true then should not the refrigerant be circulating through the system and if so then when I turn my blower on there should cold air.

However this is not the case. The AC button must be pressed to feel cold air.

Am I missing something

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Old 07-15-2014, 10:17 AM   #73
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Ok I decided to tr it again.

So I evacuate the system.

I apply a vacuum

I add the R134A

Same results. AC only when I give the car gas.

Can someone tell me the AC pressure readings please.
When idling and getting warm air what pressure do you show on the high side? The symptom of a bad valve is that the high reads low and adding refrigerant does not bring it up.

I can't tell you the correct pressure without knowing the outside temp and humidity at the time.

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Old 07-15-2014, 10:22 AM   #74
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When idling and getting warm air what pressure do you show on the high side? The symptom of a bad valve is that the high reads low and adding refrigerant does not bring it up.

I can't tell you the correct pressure without knowing the outside temp and humidity at the time.
I would have to hook up the gauges again, but I remember that the high side did seem low at idle, and when i did add refrigerant only the low side went up.

What valve are you talking about

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Keico, presuming you evacuated and recharged with the correct amount of refrigerant and have the cooling fan running (a must when a/c is running), below is a copy of your '05 Vue's temperature/pressure chart. I noticed a faint dye marker on one of the scroll valve cover bolts. Hopefully, this was the only leak from a well used a/c system and fixed with new seals when the scroll valve was replaced? It pays to have and use a uv blacklight if you don't own one.
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:02 PM   #76
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Got the part from here acpartshouse

My Saturn has the one Giant fan mounted on the radiator. It does not kick in when I first turn the AC on.

Which resistor are you talking about and how would I test if if is bad
it is located inside the fender well drivers side,

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...=155986&page=3

pic is posted here, can't get it to repost, 1 to the left is drl, the one on the right is to make fan run at low speed

you may see it from underneat but it is easier to get at from the fender well

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You know this has me wondering.

I like to think that I have a pretty good understanding of how AC system works.

Now I see that on my Saturn the AC compressor os running all the time.

If this is true then should not the refrigerant be circulating through the system and if so then when I turn my blower on there should cold air.

However this is not the case. The AC button must be pressed to feel cold air.

Am I missing something
pushing the ac button turns the air on, compressor will also run in defrost mode

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Old 07-15-2014, 05:27 PM   #78
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Keico, presuming you evacuated and recharged with the correct amount of refrigerant and have the cooling fan running (a must when a/c is running), below is a copy of your '05 Vue's temperature/pressure chart. I noticed a faint dye marker on one of the scroll valve cover bolts. Hopefully, this was the only leak from a well used a/c system and fixed with new seals when the scroll valve was replaced? It pays to have and use a uv blacklight if you don't own one.

Hmmm, wondering if he had moisture in the system if he could be getting some freeze up.

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I can only presume a good evacuation removed air and moisture to reduce chances of residual moisture from causing thermal expansion valve freezing. As I understand it, Vues have another low temperature sensor to prevent compressor operation, the evaporator low ambient protection (ELAP) sensor included in the txv's of Vues. Compressor shut down at 37F, resuming above 40F.

If the cooling fan isn't running with a/c on, this can cause incorrect cooling at low speed, local traffic stops.

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I can only presume a good evacuation removed air and moisture to reduce chances of residual moisture from causing thermal expansion valve freezing. As I understand it, Vues have another low temperature sensor to prevent compressor operation, the evaporator low ambient protection (ELAP) sensor included in the txv's of Vues. Compressor shut down at 37F, resuming above 40F.

If the cooling fan isn't running with a/c on, this can cause incorrect cooling at low speed, local traffic stops.
Its not in the TXV. I've replaced the TXV and did not find a sensor associated with it. It could be mounted elsewhere.

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