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Old 02-16-2006, 09:48 PM   #61
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Yes-if it allows Saturn to have a good attractive affordable small car in its
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Old 02-16-2006, 09:53 PM   #62
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Heck Yeah, but build it at Spring Hill. I want the Diesel version.

I bet GM will have to rehire the people they just laid off because that car will sell! What styling!!

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Old 02-16-2006, 09:56 PM   #63
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How could I forget that one??? Now, its definitely too similar to other GM names. How about the NARO (Not Another Rebadged Opel).
Naro is too close to Nero the sports jacket from India with the high collar.

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No, GEO had nothing to do with Saturn in the corporate planning. Geo was to be a specifically foreign cars based brand. None of those cars were built by GM [except the collaborative Prizm with Toyota] but rebadges of Suzuki and Isuzu products.The problem was that no one bought charade of GEO being a GM division or that it even mattered in the hierarchy. It was a sub brand FOR Chevrolet, with some of the badges even showing a little bow tie in the center. GEO was something Japanese for Chevy to sell since they couldn't or wouldn't design a decent small car for themselves. The business model was QUITE different from Saturn.
The hope was that people would go on to Olds FROM Saturn. Olds even studied the way Saturn did business in the early years.
The SC looks like the Storm and the 95-up Cavalier 2 door. They have the same elements, but the SL is a dead ringer for the Cutlass Supreme GM10 with the wrap around rear window and general styling
Well now they just gave up on it and stuck full-size Bow-Ties on Daewoos now. I don't know if you've got 'em in the States, but we have 3 full-fledged Daewoos wearing Bow-Ties here in Canada. I don't see much of the Storm or SC in the Cavalier, but yes the SL is a dead ringer for the old Cutlass. There is even a used car buyer's guide I was checking out and in the SL review it even mentioned that resemblance specifically. I was a kid when GEO disappeard, but everytime I see one of those damn things that stupid song goes through my head "Getting to know youuu, getting to know all about yooouuuu!"
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I've seen the latest Astra in person...I think it's great. I say go for it.

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Old 02-16-2006, 11:27 PM   #66
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Yeah ...this is what i think it would look like in black!!

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Old 02-17-2006, 12:13 AM   #67
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Yeah ...this is what i think it would look like in black!!

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OK, it looks exactly like a mini-AURA. Look at the crease in the center of the hood, the side mirrors. The headlights are almost identical, except the ones on the AURA are a little bit taller with a larger turn signal.
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Aside from the fact that GM has turned its "import fighter" division into a brand of imports and the fact that they've eliminated the polymer body panels, my main problem is that it only comes as a hatchback. It looks nice enough for those who want a hatch, but plenty of folks want a normal sedan, or maybe a conventional coupe or even a wagon!

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I seriously doubt they would only bring over a 2-dr hatch. There would still be a gap in their lineup. The Saturn Astra would fill a niche such as the Celica did for Toyota, but they still needed the Corolla.

I'm surprised by the positive reaction here. I like the car and hope that when Saturn reads this thread they take us very seriously.

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Well now they just gave up on it and stuck full-size Bow-Ties on Daewoos now. I don't know if you've got 'em in the States, but we have 3 full-fledged Daewoos wearing Bow-Ties here in Canada. I don't see much of the Storm or SC in the Cavalier, but yes the SL is a dead ringer for the old Cutlass. There is even a used car buyer's guide I was checking out and in the SL review it even mentioned that resemblance specifically. I was a kid when GEO disappeard, but everytime I see one of those damn things that stupid song goes through my head "Getting to know youuu, getting to know all about yooouuuu!"
Dammit, it's back
Ughhh. I hated those ads.The cars were interesting and the Metro and Storm were popular, but those ads... You think the same agency does the Saturn ads? They're equally wretched.
I have heard about the Daewoo rebadging. How long is it going to be before Saturn will be selling something similar? Saturn Optra..... Saturn Forenza.{Whats the other DaeChevy sold there? I can't remember the name.} And ironically Chevrolet is building it's name in Europe with Daewoo product.
We're living in an alternative universe.
Should have clarified re; the reference to GEO.It just seems they've gutted Saturn and now it will simply be a collection of vehicles made by others in a "portfolio" to be sold under one banner.Similar to GEO. Not a successful business model IMHO. However a product sold ONLY by Saturn even built by GM Europe or Brazil would beat going the "Relay" route, or taking a page from the Olds Cutlass school of "brand management".

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I seriously doubt they would only bring over a 2-dr hatch. There would still be a gap in their lineup. The Saturn Astra would fill a niche such as the Celica did for Toyota, but they still needed the Corolla.

I'm surprised by the positive reaction here. I like the car and hope that when Saturn reads this thread they take us very seriously.
I was too. Images of ragged bedraggled Saturn Fans marching on Spring Hill with torches had crossed my mind.
Personally an Astra that could run E85 would pull me in. And the size is right. Love the ION , but it seems like such a boat.

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But seriously, check your numbers: Only 8 inches difference?

I'm seeing over a foot's difference.
Uh, 16 inches to be exact....but since the wheelbase is the same as the Ion, the length must come from front and rear overhangs, evenly. Hence, an 8 inch difference on both the front and rear of the car; 16 inches total. My bad, I should have explained that better.

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Why not, though I'd prefer Saturn built their Astra here at Spring Hill. Still a possibility. But, while GM is an American-based corporation, it's operations are world-wide. Therefore, there's no reason why GM can't pull from the best and brightest of those global assets to provide its American customers and Saturn with the best cars available.

BTW, if the ION replacement is to be called "Astra", what becomes of the "Evoke" name Saturn supposedly registered a while back? I'm going to go out on a limb and predict it shows up on a coupe version of the Aura with a folding hardtop.

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So...somebody fill me in.
Saturn plans on importing the Astra (2008?), THEN manufacturing the same car stateside (ie:Spring Hill) when/if it takes off

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Oh, and Astra is too close to Astre which was a Pontiac version of the Vega.
Wasn't the Vega/Astre related to the Opel Manta of the early 70's? Also, let's not forget the Chevette (Opel Kadett) and the Pontiac LeMans of the late 80's-early 90's (also an Opel Kadett). Not to mention the Opel GT, the design of which was used to shape the late 70's Corvette.

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Ughhh. I hated those ads.The cars were interesting and the Metro and Storm were popular, but those ads... You think the same agency does the Saturn ads? They're equally wretched.
I have heard about the Daewoo rebadging. How long is it going to be before Saturn will be selling something similar? Saturn Optra..... Saturn Forenza.{Whats the other DaeChevy sold there? I can't remember the name.} And ironically Chevrolet is building it's name in Europe with Daewoo product.
We're living in an alternative universe.
Should have clarified re; the reference to GEO.It just seems they've gutted Saturn and now it will simply be a collection of vehicles made by others in a "portfolio" to be sold under one banner.Similar to GEO. Not a successful business model IMHO. However a product sold ONLY by Saturn even built by GM Europe or Brazil would beat going the "Relay" route, or taking a page from the Olds Cutlass school of "brand management".
My friend's wife LOVED her stupid GEO she calls jellybean. It had a Z12 sticker on it that's kinda funny. It finally died after several accidents and what not. Anyway Chevy re-badges 4 Daewoos currently in Canada. The terrible looking Aveo (aka Pontiac Wave, and Suzuki Swift?) The Optra (sedan and wagon), the differently styled Optra5 5-door hatch (that one isn't too bad looking I'm a little ashamed to say ) and the previous Impala rip-off Chevy Epica. Small cars are King here in the Great White North. Why do you think Pontiac dealers FREAKED when there was no Sunfire replacement? Hence the Pontiac Pursuit mentioned in the article Charlie referenced at the beginning of this thread.

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Aside from the fact that GM has turned its "import fighter" division into a brand of imports and the fact that they've eliminated the polymer body panels, my main problem is that it only comes as a hatchback. It looks nice enough for those who want a hatch, but plenty of folks want a normal sedan, or maybe a conventional coupe or even a wagon!
If you can't beat 'em, import 'em. Or at least design them.

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Ughhh. I hated those ads.The cars were interesting and the Metro and Storm were popular, but those ads... You think the same agency does the Saturn ads? They're equally wretched.
I have heard about the Daewoo rebadging. How long is it going to be before Saturn will be selling something similar? Saturn Optra..... Saturn Forenza.{Whats the other DaeChevy sold there? I can't remember the name.} And ironically Chevrolet is building it's name in Europe with Daewoo product.
We're living in an alternative universe.
Should have clarified re; the reference to GEO.It just seems they've gutted Saturn and now it will simply be a collection of vehicles made by others in a "portfolio" to be sold under one banner.Similar to GEO. Not a successful business model IMHO. However a product sold ONLY by Saturn even built by GM Europe or Brazil would beat going the "Relay" route, or taking a page from the Olds Cutlass school of "brand management".
My friend's wife LOVED her stupid GEO she calls jellybean. It had a Z12 sticker on it that's kinda funny. It finally died after several accidents and what not. Anyway Chevy re-badges 4 Daewoos currently in Canada. The terrible looking Aveo (aka Pontiac Wave, and Suzuki Swift?) The Optra (sedan and wagon), the differently styled Optra5 5-door hatch (that one isn't too bad looking I'm a little ashamed to say ) and the previous Impala rip-off Chevy Epica. Small cars are King here in the Great White North. Why do you think Pontiac dealers FREAKED when there was no Sunfire replacement? Hence the Pontiac Pursuit mentioned in the article Charlie referenced at the beginning of this thread.

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I seriously doubt they would only bring over a 2-dr hatch. There would still be a gap in their lineup. The Saturn Astra would fill a niche such as the Celica did for Toyota, but they still needed the Corolla.

I'm surprised by the positive reaction here. I like the car and hope that when Saturn reads this thread they take us very seriously.
The Astra line includes the 3dr, the 5dr, a wagon and a TwinTop coupe.




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So...somebody fill me in.
Saturn plans on importing the Astra (2008?), THEN manufacturing the same car stateside (ie:Spring Hill) when/if it takes off
My prediction is that Saturn will import the Astra for one year, 2007. When Springhill closes down for retooling, which I believe is until 2008 (?), I think when they open up they will be building the next generation Astra (2008) there to sell here and possibly exporting it to Mexico.

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