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Old 07-11-2005, 04:29 PM   #61
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"""I'd rather buy a car made in Mexico than send one red cent to the automotive conglomerate known as Honda."""

I think you have bigger monsters to worry about than Honda OhioVueBoy-- did you forget about Toyota which is much larger, much richer, and more capable of taking over the world as your thoughts suggest than American Honda Corporation.

I don't understand why some people are so focused and sometimes blinded by a loyalty to an american company-- in GM's case a falling star desperate to gain leverage in an ultra competitve market while fighting off creditors and smiling in the face of companies like Toyota, Nissan, and Honda who have built up excellent reputations for dependabilty, quality, and resale value, and their respective sales suggest these reputations resonate with American consumers.

I for one- could ultimately care less where a car is made, or who stands around building it, or whether they make $ 20.00 per hour or $ 1.00 per hour. I expect quality, and most of all, my monies worth. Everything else is unimportant.

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Old 07-11-2005, 04:30 PM   #62
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no sir,I would not buy from Mexico!

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Old 07-11-2005, 04:38 PM   #63
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Default Re: Would You Buy a Saturn Made in Mexico?

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Don't you drive an Australian Pontiac?
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What does that have to do with Saturns being built in Mexico? I would pay MORE for an Aussie Saturn if it had the fit and finish of my GTO.
The engines that are seizing up in Relays were assembled where, again? That's right- good ole' Mexico.

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Old 07-11-2005, 04:56 PM   #64
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NEVER!
I choose this car (over some pretty darn nice vehicles made in other countries) BECAUSE it was an American car, made in America by Americans.

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Old 07-11-2005, 04:57 PM   #65
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One of the main reasons I bought a saturn in the first place was because it was an American Car. I'm a believer in speending your money where you
earn your money. If Saturn wants to move their works to Mexico for cheaper
labor then NO I will not buy Saturn (even though I love my L series) I will be forced to return to Buick or Cadillac again

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:12 PM   #66
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If Saturn wants to move their works to Mexico for cheaper
labor then NO I will not buy Saturn (even though I love my L series) I will be forced to return to Buick or Cadillac again
Just make sure it's not a Chinese Buick or a Cadillac CXT from Mexico!

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:21 PM   #67
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Made in Mexico....No
Lets not compromise the quality.

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:29 PM   #68
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Definately not!!! Mexicans and "made in Mexico" are taking over the USA. It would be a very sad day if Saturn/GM did this. I cannot even believe that they are even considering this. I love my SL...but if it were made in Mexico......I wouldn't even have considered buying it. Just my opinion.

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:43 PM   #69
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What does that have to do with Saturns being built in Mexico? I would pay MORE for an Aussie Saturn if it had the fit and finish of my GTO.
The engines that are seizing up in Relays were assembled where, again? That's right- good ole' Mexico.
Aah, it has a lot to do with it. I've been around the GTO (there are now 5 as of last week within 2 generations out from me in my family)... I know all about their "impeccible" build quality. Remember, the Jetta comes from Mexico, and sets the bar for interior quality and fit/finish on compact cars - and handily trumping the GTO (did I mention that the power seat is out in one of my cousin's GTOs, my uncles was delivered with a nonfunctioning stereo, and his taillight fell out of the spoiler with under 1,000 miles on the odo... wait - didn't C&D's test mule do the same thing 3 years ago)?

I'm sure that GM is sending Mexicans their reject substandard parts just so American consumers have a leg to stand on with their gripes about ****ty build quality. I'm all for keeping jobs in the USA... I live 15 minutes from the Trailblazer plant - but if this is what it takes to keep GM afloat, then why not. I'd rather have a car from Mexico than Korea or China.

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:48 PM   #70
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"""I'd rather buy a car made in Mexico than send one red cent to the automotive conglomerate known as Honda."""
I think you have bigger monsters to worry about than Honda OhioVueBoy-- did you forget about Toyota which is much larger, much richer, and more capable of taking over the world as your thoughts suggest than American Honda Corporation.
No, I may gripe about Toyota now and then, but i respect Toyota. Do I think they are better than GM, no, but I respect their design and engineering.

As far as this "blind faith" to GM... I don't consider the fact that GM kept food on my family's table through the depression, through the war, and gave my grandfather a job when he got back from WWII a blind faith. I don't consider the scholarship money I get because of being a GM Engineering Explorer for 4 years of high school a blind faith. I have a lot of personal ties with GM, from my relatives several generations back, through my father, and onto myself.

I'm still not afraid of change.

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:53 PM   #71
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Definately not!!! Mexicans and "made in Mexico" are taking over the USA. It would be a very sad day if Saturn/GM did this. I cannot even believe that they are even considering this. I love my SL...but if it were made in Mexico......I wouldn't even have considered buying it. Just my opinion.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone.......I live in an area where there are alot of illegals and our state is allowing it...and putting them to work, when there are others who cannot find jobs. That is why I am so upset over this.

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:54 PM   #72
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I want to clarify part of what I said before, just in case. I did not mean to say just that American workers need to accept lower standards for employment, but rather than American buyers are going to have to accept a higher cost/price tage for theat "made-in-america" sticker. Clearly that means something important to many folks here, but likewise, many folks just do not care as much, and will go for the cheaper buy (assuming equal quality). In mnay other countries, cars are very expensive for the everyday person, and come w/o most luxuries we have just b/c of keeping the costs down. I think that at some point Joe American will have to wake up and understand that there is alot of work/time/effort put into producing a car, and that its has to be expensive to reflect that.

Now, I know I'm gonna get jumped on for the following... I'm just looking for evidence/prooof (the sceintist in me).... I see many folks here directly saying "made in mxico is inferior quality". Why is that necessarily the case? If the engineering is identical, Q/C is identical, why does it matter what language the guy w/ the wlder speaks?

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Old 07-11-2005, 05:54 PM   #73
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I'm all for keeping jobs in the USA... I live 15 minutes from the Trailblazer plant - but if this is what it takes to keep GM afloat, then why not.
Well, for one thing, it seems morally wrong to me to pay a CEO $10 million a year and not even pay a decent living wage to your employees. Also, why should companies based in the United States enjoy all the benefits afforded to them by this country, including defense of the country by a taxpayer funded military, and then not give something back? Shouldn't GM have some sense of obligation to U.S. citizens?

As for the argument that giving Mexicans crappy jobs is still better than giving them no jobs - well, unless you're paying them enough to live what we would consider a decent middle class lifestyle*, and affording them the opportunity to better themselves and their children through education, then you're simply perpetuating poverty by exploiting an impoverished population to the detriment of the middle class here and in other industrialized nations.

*by decent middle class lifestyle, I don't mean 3 large screen tv's, two SUV's in the garage and a boat. I mean a decent home, running water, electricity, a clean environment, access to decent medical care, decent law enforcement, and access to education, including the opportunity to pursue higher education.

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Old 07-11-2005, 06:08 PM   #74
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Yikes-as a true believer in the kinds of quality products that can be and are manufactured right here in the USA, I am disgusted by the thought that any American would lose their job to save the "Company" a couple of bucks. I am more than willing to spend a little extra for QUALITY. I sure save alot of money because I refuse to buy anything that isn't made in the US. And now I guess that will include Saturns. Sigh. It never ceases to amaze me that whenever something is good, with nothing needing 'fixing', someone comes along and decides to change or 'improve' it. They will regret the day they sold out. Some things are more important than money.

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Old 07-11-2005, 06:16 PM   #75
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I don't understand why some people are so focused and sometimes blinded by a loyalty to an american company....
No, you clearly don't understand. It's not loyalty to GM, it's all about maintaining the US ecomony.

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I for one- could ultimately care less where a car is made, or who stands around building it, or whether they make $ 20.00 per hour or $ 1.00 per hour. I expect quality, and most of all, my monies worth. Everything else is unimportant.
And you would be in the majority of US consumers. "I don't care about anything, as long as I can save a few cents". It's this attitude that's killing our ecomony. By the time you and the others like you wake up, it will be too late.

I suggest you take a course in Economics and learn what the real issue is here. The job you save may be your own...

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Old 07-11-2005, 06:44 PM   #76
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Similar to what I said in the thread about the loss of polymer, I'd only buy one if it fit my needs better than what else is on the market for the same money.
I'm not too asshamed to admit, the polymer and the fact that it was made in the US with an american engine in a hippiesque plant were bonuses in the Ion's favor when I chose it.

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Old 07-11-2005, 06:54 PM   #77
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I'm assuming that the design will still be done in the US.

So... my thoughts are: The high costs of Union Labor have pushed yet another manufacturing operation outside the borders of the USA. Too bad!
Here's what's happening with GM Design:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...05077_1341.htm

From the article:
" Korean Daewoo operations will work on subcompact cars and small SUVs"
" Engineers at GM Daewoo Auto & Technology in Korea are working on the next Saturn Vue small SUV for the U.S. market."

I am a very very big fan of Saturn - I truely want to continue to buy Saturn products in place of any imports. This brand is aimed right at me. If they need to design it in Korea and build it in Spring Hill - I'm still with them all the way. If designed overseas and built out of the US - well - it certainly becomes more like all of the other imports doesn't it?

Please - KEEP THE VUE FROM THE HILL

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Old 07-11-2005, 07:06 PM   #78
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More Jobs going offshore.

Thank You!

Shut up, go to chruch, shop at Walmart........

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Old 07-11-2005, 07:27 PM   #79
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"""It's this attitude that's killing our ecomony. By the time you and the others like you wake up, it will be too late.

I suggest you take a course in Economics and learn what the real issue is here. The job you save may be your own..."""


For starters, I have taken a few courses in economics thank you-- and secondly, I am well aware of the shrinking job market and thousands upon thousands of jobs going overseas. This is sad yes- would I prefer jobs stay in the ole red-white an blue-- absolutely--

This dream however-- is fading-- not because of consumers- but because companies are cutting costs to be more competitive-- and looking at their bottom line! If one company moves jobs (such as Dell moving its customer service jobs to India) -- it can reduce prices making it more profitable. Compaq for example- will then have a harder time selling its product for it will be more costly due to higher labor costs in the US-- and Compaq will ultimately follow suit and move jobs overseas as well-- its a domino affect and will continue happening no matter how much people protest.

While I feel some sadness for those losing jobs to out sourcing, I suggest education-- maybe going out an earning a degree instead of working at an auto plant for 10-15-20 years with out ever trying to better oneself beyond a high school education would be a good idea.

While some careers are expanding such as nursing, others such as manufacturing are falling and nothing can be done to stop it.

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America works when you buy American.

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