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Old 04-08-2013, 01:31 PM   #1
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Default why are s series ac so bad?

My 98 sl2 has always had ehh ac. The vent temps at the center of the vent on recirc idling after ten minutes is at 52 degrees.
Same scenario on my dodge truck and honda civic are about 44 at idle. When giving the saturn a little throttle it will go down to about 45 degrees. Also why are all the ac compressors on these cars so noisy. They buzz quite a bit more than most cars.


Now to be fair the saturn is silver with black interior where as the honda is silver with gray interior and the dodge is red with gray interior....
But really why do the s series ac suck so bad? They dont blow hard the vent placement sucks and they do not blow very cold.....
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Default Re: why are s series ac so bad?

S-Series AC works best at 2000+ RPM, not idle. Willing to bet the Honda and Dakota have bigger engines than our 1.9L I4 and/or far more idle torque.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:43 PM   #3
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S-Series AC works best at 2000+ RPM, not idle. Willing to bet the Honda and Dakota have bigger engines than our 1.9L I4 and/or far more idle torque.

Good thing we arent betting. The dodge ram sure but the honda has a 1.7l sohc.
The honda is the least powerful.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:54 PM   #4
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Default Re: why are s series ac so bad?

the honda also has variable valve timing for a wider range of RPMs, and (i'm guessing) a more torque-y low end.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:56 PM   #5
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No it doesnt its non vtec
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Old 04-08-2013, 03:02 PM   #6
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Did any of those three vehicles ever have their a/c systems serviced?
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:19 PM   #7
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The dodge had a leak fixed and the saturn had a new compressor a while back.
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:50 PM   #8
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why are s series ac so bad?

some cars' ac are born bad:
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The dodge had a leak fixed and the saturn had a new compressor a while back.
Well, there are many reasons to explain your Saturn not cooling as compared to others. The following applies to any vehicle a/c system, not just Saturns; the leak no one wants to believe has occurred but willingly refill at the first sign of problems, poor repairs by DIYers assuming refrigeration repairs is a walk in the park, unscrupulous repair shops performing less work to short cut repairs, unforeseen circumstances like a 'simple bump' that turns out to be condenser damage, and to repeat once more - a leak that wasn't found even after a repair. A/C repairs are unforgiving of mistakes whether done by a pro or DIYer.
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But really why do the s series ac suck so bad? They dont blow hard the vent placement sucks and they do not blow very cold.....
I wish I had *any* kind of cool air coming out. I don't.
That's because I have the original A/C system that uses the old refrigerant. Yep, never "upgraded" my A/C system so it would take the new refrigerant (they wanted major, major $$$).
Does this make me a bad person?

I always say that "I rather be warm" but when it's 100 degrees out there, I sure wish I had some A/C
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:06 PM   #11
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S series A/C compressors are Loud I notice that too..on mine its a good
thing though ... Lets You know its working.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:56 PM   #12
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well, sucks to be you guys. mine is whisper quiet. and doesnt weigh anything. and its invisible...crap, someone removed it.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:08 PM   #13
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Default Re: why are s series ac so bad?

I can agree somewhat on the vent placement being less than optimal, but the A/C in my '98 seems to do OK. I just bought it back in February, and it had been sitting for a year or more with very little use, covered in leaves and green mold growing from all the rain here. The A/C didn't seem to work, so I looked it over for signs of leaks or damage. I couldn't see anything wrong, so I bought a can of R134a and put it in. The A/C took off working and is still doing fine 3 weeks later.

On the other hand, the A/C in the wife's Buick Regal took $900 to get working again...
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The saturn struggles is 90 + weather unless your cruising down the hwy stop and go or short trips are awful.
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Good thing we arent betting. The dodge ram sure but the honda has a 1.7l sohc.
The honda is the least powerful.
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Bore and Stroke : 75 mm × 94.4 mm (3.0 in × 3.72 in)
Compression : 9.5:1
Power : 115 hp (85.8 kW, 117 ps) at 6,100 rpm
Torque : 110 lb·ft (15.2 kg/m, 149 Nm) at 4,500 rpm
RPM redline: 6,750 rpm
Rev-limiter : 7,200 rpm
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Only 1.7L non-VTEC Civic motor I could find.
Hell of a lot more powerful than a S-Series SOHC and more torque than the S-Series DOHC.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:58 AM   #16
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Really?

Only 1.7L non-VTEC Civic motor I could find.
Hell of a lot more powerful than a S-Series SOHC and more torque than the S-Series DOHC.
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I4 Horsepower 124 @ 5600 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 122 @ 4800 RPM

since when did 110 > 122? O.o lol
It does hit it's torque curve slightly sooner though.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:03 AM   #17
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since when did 110 > 122? O.o lol
It does hit it's torque curve slightly sooner though.

Lol yea so the honda is the least powerful but has the best ac..... So.......?
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My 99 SL and pop's 95 SC2 both have lousy AC. Solid mechanically, just not exactly an igloo inside the cabin.
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All of my S-Series blow very cold air -- to the point that I need to turn it down to the lowest or second lowest fan speed when cruising on the CA highways in 100-110 ambient temperature. One trip I was flying through the mojave desert at 70 on a 120 degree day, and I was nice and cool in the cabin.

I always replace the seals on the compressors and recharge the systems properly (pulling a vacuum for a full hour and never breaking the seal into the system when chargine)

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My 99 SL and pop's 95 SC2 both have lousy AC. Solid mechanically, just not exactly an igloo inside the cabin.
I'd agree with that, the AC in our Toyotas are much more effective, quiet, and trouble free than the SW2.
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