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Old 09-20-2019, 03:55 PM   #21
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Does anyone have experience with reman starters from Valeo or AC Delco?
Mine was a reman A/C Delco pro. Been working great for 3.5 years. The new Duralast I tried first only lasted a few days.

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Hey, the DB Electrical Starter has 77% 5 stars and another 13% 4 stars on Amazon. That's not too bad for a $50 starter and 150 reviews.

If you want to blow more $$$ on a rebuilt unit from a parts rebadger like AC Delco, go right ahead. They're $99 on RockAuto vs. $109 on the new!!!

I do see on Rock Auto that the new Bosch starter is $139 and their rebuilt one is $119. In other vehicles I had very good luck with Bosch starters. At least they have a QC dept, not just some faceless dweeb in Purchasing.....
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Old 09-20-2019, 04:47 PM   #23
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I will steal this quote from another site where I spend time.

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Some people have to put their hand on the hot stove some take the advice.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:49 AM   #24
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Hey, the DB Electrical Starter has 77% 5 stars and another 13% 4 stars on Amazon. That's not too bad for a $50 starter and 150 reviews.

If you want to blow more $$$ on a rebuilt unit from a parts rebadger like AC Delco, go right ahead. They're $99 on RockAuto vs. $109 on the new!!!

I do see on Rock Auto that the new Bosch starter is $139 and their rebuilt one is $119. In other vehicles I had very good luck with Bosch starters. At least they have a QC dept, not just some faceless dweeb in Purchasing.....
A lot of those reviews are from people who gave it a lot of stars because they were able to put it in and it worked for a little while. The real test is does it last for thousands of turnovers. My guess is that the dbelectrical part will not last a long time. Whereas I expect the AC Delco, Valeo, or Bosch units to last a very long time. That being said I ordered the db part. If it gets me through my current financial crunch, I'm good.
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Old 09-24-2019, 02:21 AM   #25
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A lot of those reviews are from people who gave it a lot of stars because they were able to put it in and it worked for a little while.
Balanced by the people that had a shipping issue
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I have a 97 SL.

Original owner. 197,000 miles.

Just replaced the original starter with dbelectrical one last year(?). Mostly because the new one was relatively affordable. Also it's another pre-emptive repair. Yes I didn't notice that the original one was spinning so much slower!

When I start the car, yes I "prime" the fuel pump before cranking.

Also this is a west coast or southern car, so it never cranked too long before it kicked.

I also put a dbelectrical starter in my Suzuki Burgman 400 too, with good results.

(the Saturn starter was about 3x as big as the Suzuki one, and cost about half as much )
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I have received the db starter.

It's a Chinese import. And came with a test data sheet.

It is branded "J&N"
This is J&N's web page


The test data sheet is branded "DV Electronics LTD". They are a test equipment manufacturer in (905 area code) southern Ontario, Canada. My guess is that they sold the test equipment to J&N who ran the tests.

This is the DV Electronics web page


I'm sure this is the exact same starter as sold by the other generic names. It's an open question as to whether those other generics get a unit that has been tested in North America.


I took detailed photos.
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:38 PM   #28
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Here are some more pics of the db starter
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Everyone I have ever purchased from DB Electric comes with the test sheet.
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I know this may not be for everybody, but when my starter went out at 200K miles, I purchased one off of Ebay from a JY. Yes I know it was used, and I don't know how many "real" miles were on it but it has been going strong now for another year, two-three starts every four days or so. It only cost me $35 bucks and it is original. I know everyone would rather go new, I understand that, but for something as easy as a starter to replace and the amount of time most of use have had our original starters and the fact from what I read on this forum that these things are practically indestructible, that's why I went with a "used" one.
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Everyone I have ever purchased from DB Electric comes with the test sheet.
How long did those units last you?
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:03 AM   #32
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Here's a picture of the original Valeo starter next to the db.

The small terminal is on the wrong side on the db.

I haven't installed it yet so I guess I'll find out whether that matters tomorrow.

And the OEM doesn't have the globs of solder on the surface that the db has.
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I should know better than to peek into this swamp, but...

Your original post title indicated you were trying to decide between a reman or new; there was no mention of using an (old, used) OEM or trying to find a true NOS OEM.

My DB has certainly lasted longer than the reman from NAPA that it replaced. The reman lasted just a year or two, the DB has been in too long to remember, but must be over 10 years now. (judging from where I was driving when the NAPA died).

Do you understand what I mean by OEM or NOS? The Delco or any other "OEM" brand may not be the same as they were supplying when the cars were manufactured.

Yeah, that terminal on the wrong side might be a nuisance (mine were either on the correct side, or not a problem), but the solder blob wouldn't worry me too much.
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So, about 4 years of starting at least twice a day, 5 days a week.
I'd forgotten, I was in school 3 of those years, so 50% more starts a day - start to go to work, start to go to school, then start to drive home.

A couple of semesters, I also had weekend classes.
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I should know better than to peek into this swamp, but...

Your original post title indicated you were trying to decide between a reman or new; there was no mention of using an (old, used) OEM or trying to find a true NOS OEM.

My DB has certainly lasted longer than the reman from NAPA that it replaced. The reman lasted just a year or two, the DB has been in too long to remember, but must be over 10 years now. (judging from where I was driving when the NAPA died).

Do you understand what I mean by OEM or NOS? The Delco or any other "OEM" brand may not be the same as they were supplying when the cars were manufactured.

Yeah, that terminal on the wrong side might be a nuisance (mine were either on the correct side, or not a problem), but the solder blob wouldn't worry me too much.
I was not trying to decide between reman and new. I was getting opinions on new.

from my OP
"And of course reman units, which I am not considering unless someone can give me good reason to start."


And yes I understand OEM and NOS and that manufacturers change over time. That's why I started a new thread, because the last one was 10 years old and all the suppliers have likely changed people and/or manufacturing locations. So the build quality will likely have changed as well.

It's very unlikely that DB is selling the same starter now that they were 10 years ago. It may not even be the same people running it as 10 years ago. Or maybe it is. Companies change over time. Company values change with the people. So it's good practice to get up to date information.
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I'm a DB Electric believer. Mine has 10,000 miles, 17 months, and one new driver behind it. This starter is on my '98. I've replaced the '99 starter several times, a couple times with new units. I don't remember the brands though.
I've had no problems with that brand, and I use them on heavy equipment. I just buy new from Ebay. I have so much Saturn stuff here that I generally just pull a Saturn starter from a junker. So far, so good.
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I fixed a friend's Saturn with a NAPA starter gone bad. She had about 150K on it since she had it installed. It was toast when I changed it out in the dead of winter. I just used a spare that I had here.
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