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Old 01-12-2014, 07:39 PM   #21
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There is another 3 quarts in the block.
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Did you remove the block drain plug under the Thermostat housing to drain the coolant from the engine?
Umm no. I looked at some vids online on flushing and there was no mention of that drain plug.
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^^^^ There's one in every engine (there are two in some, but I digress...). "Vids online" don't compare to the FSMs.
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Use a 6 point socket only and a long extension. Get it from underneath.
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Use a 6 point socket only and a long extension. Get it from underneath.
Ok, will do.
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Well, I took off the drain from the block, and it started to pour pretty good. My assessment of the original 3 qts was more like 2. When I pulled the drain from the block it came out to being the eqiuvelant of maybe 1 qt. I used 7 qt pan that I transferred into a gallon jug of empty coolant, which measured just about 3 qts. Now, to be fair I was draining from an slightly inclined driveway, but I don't think that would factor that much fluid would it? Also before I started the drain my coolant reservoir was about empty.
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Refill with a gallon of 100% first and then top off to the normal cold line on the reservoir. Start engine and verify flow through the small hose at the back of reservoir. You can see it from the open reservoir and the hose will heat up along with the engine before the thermostat opens. Must get hot. If that small hose is plugged you will blow all the coolant out of the engine.
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Refill with a gallon of 100% first and then top off to the normal cold line on the reservoir. Start engine and verify flow through the small hose at the back of reservoir. You can see it from the open reservoir and the hose will heat up along with the engine before the thermostat opens. Must get hot. If that small hose is plugged you will blow all the coolant out of the engine.
So let me get this right I need to fill with full concentrate antifreeze, then what is room is left I put the distilled water to the normal line. I DO NOT put cap on when I start the engine and make sure there is flow of fluid is present in the little hose correct? If it is free flowing then It solved the problem right? If not then its something blocking the line and the problem is not solved?
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Correct. If there are any more issues then there are more serious problems to identify. Now the casual assumption is you are using an ethylene glycol based antifreeze product. The non toxic propylene glycol antifreeze requires more 100% antifreeze to get away from atmospheric boiling. If it is non toxic it is propylene glycol, and if it is toxic it is ethylene glycol.
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So far so good. The real test will be on my route tomorrow. I let it warm up and saw the inside kind of swirling around which led me to believe that there was no blockage coming from the hose. Right now I am gonna drive into the next town and back. Tomorrow when I come back from work I will post the results.
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Feel the small hose, is it hot or cold? If cold it is plugged and that is a problem. If the engine has been running for 5 minutes or so that hose will definitely be warm to hot.
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Feel the small hose, is it hot or cold? If cold it is plugged and that is a problem. If the engine has been running for 5 minutes or so that hose will definitely be warm to hot.
Felt the hose and it was definitely warm. I noticed that my windshield fluid pump wasn't working. I know that has nothing to do with the reservoir or what I just did because when I left for my test drive it was working, just didn't have fluid in it. This leads to my next question. Does it have a separate fuse? The wipers work fine, just no pump to squirt the fluid.
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Felt the hose and it was definitely warm. I noticed that my windshield fluid pump wasn't working. I know that has nothing to do with the reservoir or what I just did because when I left for my test drive it was working, just didn't have fluid in it. This leads to my next question. Does it have a separate fuse? The wipers work fine, just no pump to squirt the fluid.
Nevermind, just read another post on this issue and I am gonna try that. Will post on the temp and reservoir after I get home tomorrow. Thanks all and lets cross our fingers that the overheating issue is resolved.
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Did I read correctly that it mainly only overheats when in stop-and-go driving as a letter carrier often does? It sounds like the fan is coming on - but perhaps late. Wonder if the fan, its circuit or the fan relay is not totally reliable?
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Felt the hose and it was definitely warm. I noticed that my windshield fluid pump wasn't working. I know that has nothing to do with the reservoir or what I just did because when I left for my test drive it was working, just didn't have fluid in it. This leads to my next question. Does it have a separate fuse? The wipers work fine, just no pump to squirt the fluid.
It is best to keep good fluid in the washer reservoir because if you inadvertently run the pump without fluid it will be ruined.
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So far so good. The real test will be on my route tomorrow. I let it warm up and saw the inside kind of swirling around which led me to believe that there was no blockage coming from the hose. Right now I am gonna drive into the next town and back. Tomorrow when I come back from work I will post the results.
If you have good flow and the line heats up fairly quick then the line should be clear. The swirling is a good indication that it is responding well to increases in engine RPM



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Did I read correctly that it mainly only overheats when in stop-and-go driving as a letter carrier often does? It sounds like the fan is coming on - but perhaps late. Wonder if the fan, its circuit or the fan relay is not totally reliable?
This would be a concern to me as well. I'm not 100% sure of the operation of the light, but would assume that during normal operation that the fan would come on before any high temp light would come on.

Being a single sensor car, it wouldn't seem that that ECTS being bad would affect this part of the issue, but a check of the ECTS might be in order if the problem continues.



I would hope for the sake of the OP that the reservoir is the problem, but TBH at this point I have my doubts being that the reservoir and cap have already been replaced once.

If the problem isn't solved, time for testing for exhaust gasses IMO.
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If the ECTS circuit is bad/defective/generating incorrect values there is no outward indication of a problem. Further overheating events will require more involved troubleshooting to ID the root cause. There is a rather long list of possible causes before getting to engine mechanical issues.
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Im happy to report everything went well. Today was a pretty warm day in central texas. I just want to thank all involved and a big thank you. Now on to my next issue, the washer pump. I found this thread http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=161758 and gonna try and follow it. The Richpin vid shows a similar but not the same as my setup. I haven't taken the bottle out yet, is the pump attached to the bottle like in the vid?
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It is pretty much self explanatory when you get the bottle out so you can see it. At least you should be past the overheating issue.
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