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Old 06-07-2008, 03:03 AM   #1
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So I've had a water leak from my map lights into the interior of the car after rainstorms for months now (leak in the trunk after a car wash, too). Three different dealerships can never duplicate the problem. It's driving me insane! Who would be equipped to figure out this problem besides the dealers who can't? I'm getting nowhere. Body shop? If I have to pay out of pocket I would, I'm going crazy.

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Old 06-07-2008, 06:31 AM   #2
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So I've had a water leak from my map lights into the interior of the car after rainstorms for months now (leak in the trunk after a car wash, too). Three different dealerships can never duplicate the problem. It's driving me insane! Who would be equipped to figure out this problem besides the dealers who can't? I'm getting nowhere. Body shop? If I have to pay out of pocket I would, I'm going crazy.
A very good body shop should be able to figure it out.

It would seem the only places that water could get in would be from the antenna mounting or a sunroof (if you have one). Less likely would be the seal at the top of the windshield, but you would hear wind noise well before water would ever have a chance to force itself in through there.

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Old 06-07-2008, 07:29 AM   #3
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In the meantime send a letter to Saturn.

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Old 06-07-2008, 07:50 AM   #4
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There is already a GM District Specialist assigned to this problem after I called Saturn. The sunroof was worked on to fix the infamous rattle noise and my windshield was replaced from when it got cracked, both around the same time. The leak first started to happen about 2 months later. Dealership #1 said the windshield was leaking and to get it resealed which I did. Of course, I had the leak again. Dealership # 2 said it wasn't the windshield because of where I told them the water was coming in from so they agreed to water test the car and could not reproduce the problem. Ditto for Dealership # 3. As an added bonus there is a leak in my trunk that occurs after I take the car for a car wash that I discovered purely by chance a few weeks ago.

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Old 06-07-2008, 09:19 AM   #5
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Speculation on my part but I wonder (and please don't take it too personally) if something was left out during assembly that's causing the water to infiltrate into the car interior? I recall a member having a water leak in his old car (S-series) and finally finding the cause; a seam that wasn't sealed completely between body panels, hidden behind the plastic exterior. Removing the plastic panels revealed the incomplete seam seal that is usually done by factory assemby techniques of hand caulking with permanent seam sealer. Somewhere around the quarter panels either on the driver's or passenger's side. Maybe a trunk leak. The incomplete application of seam sealer was the cause of the leak.

I'm still wondering why Saturn hasn't taken the car for a semi-disassembly after all this time, perhaps reluctance on their part to accept full responsibility for something that may have occurred way back during assembly to one car? A quality issue from a moment of inattention/distraction from friendly banter between assembly workers? But I digress and repeat, this may be idle speculation on my part.

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Old 06-07-2008, 09:28 AM   #6
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There is already a GM District Specialist assigned to this problem after I called Saturn. The sunroof was worked on to fix the infamous rattle noise and my windshield was replaced from when it got cracked, both around the same time. The leak first started to happen about 2 months later. Dealership #1 said the windshield was leaking and to get it resealed which I did. Of course, I had the leak again. Dealership # 2 said it wasn't the windshield because of where I told them the water was coming in from so they agreed to water test the car and could not reproduce the problem. Ditto for Dealership # 3. As an added bonus there is a leak in my trunk that occurs after I take the car for a car wash that I discovered purely by chance a few weeks ago.
I have yet to see a water test (running the hose over the area for a period of time) confirm a leak. For some reason it just doesn't seem to get the job done. If you're sure it leaks every time you run through the carwash, invite a Service Advisor for a drive & then make a bee-line for the nearest wash...

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Old 06-07-2008, 09:45 AM   #7
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Speculation on my part but I wonder (and please don't take it too personally) if something was left out during assembly that's causing the water to infiltrate into the car interior? I recall a member having a water leak in his old car (S-series) and finally finding the cause; a seam that wasn't sealed completely between body panels, hidden behind the plastic exterior. Removing the plastic panels revealed the incomplete seam seal that is usually done by factory assemby techniques of hand caulking with permanent seam sealer. Somewhere around the quarter panels either on the driver's or passenger's side. Maybe a trunk leak. The incomplete application of seam sealer was the cause of the leak.

I'm still wondering why Saturn hasn't taken the car for a semi-disassembly after all this time, perhaps reluctance on their part to accept full responsibility for something that may have occurred way back during assembly to one car? A quality issue from a moment of inattention/distraction from friendly banter between assembly workers? But I digress and repeat, this may be idle speculation on my part.
The headliner has been removed and I've been told the sunroof drain hoses were tested...but it's hard to ever get an exact explanation of what they tried specifically, which is very frustrating. Waiting for dealer to call back...it seems they can't find the car. ::rolls eyes::

The trunk leak has been the last two times through the car wash (I only found this leak accidentally when I happened to open the trunk shortly after a wash the first time...it could've been there all along but I don't know). The water leak is when the car is parked in my driveway overnight during heavy rain.

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Old 06-07-2008, 09:48 AM   #8
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Trade it in and get a KIA!

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Old 06-07-2008, 10:09 AM   #9
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The headliner has been removed and I've been told the sunroof drain hoses were tested...but it's hard to ever get an exact explanation of what they tried specifically, which is very frustrating. Waiting for dealer to call back...it seems they can't find the car. ::rolls eyes::

The trunk leak has been the last two times through the car wash (I only found this leak accidentally when I happened to open the trunk shortly after a wash the first time...it could've been there all along but I don't know). The water leak is when the car is parked in my driveway overnight during heavy rain.
I understand your frustration. Eliminating the roof is but one part of a whole car and as you found out, a trunk leak appeared out of nowhere!? Finding your car with water inside (assuming all the windows were closed, doors closed properly) after any rain regardless of the amount occurring overnight still points to something Saturn didn't do to keep your car leak-free since no one has even come close to having the same problem. Its only supposition on my part that this may have something to do with assembly from the factory.

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Old 06-07-2008, 01:06 PM   #10
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I agree with fdryer that the problem possibly stems from the initial assembly process and that the entire car may need to be taken apart to determine the cause.

A crying shame about your situation, MJD112379. If you are an AAA New York member give them a call as to recommend a good auto body shop.


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Old 06-07-2008, 02:05 PM   #11
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I agree with fdryer that the problem possibly stems from the initial assembly process and that the entire car may need to be taken apart to determine the cause.

A crying shame about your situation, MJD112379. If you are an AAA New York member give them a call as to recommend a good auto body shop.

So a little while ago I went to the dealership to pick up the car. Service advisor told me they couldn't reproduce any of the leaks. Says they'll call me next week (I also brought along my service records from other dealerships because for some reason my car doesn't show up in their computer system). As I'm walking to my car I see a large amount of water on the ground which I presume was from them testing for the leak. So I get in the car, start it up and open the trunk just to make sure what I had in there was still there...And the trunk mat is wet in the same spot I told them to check for a leak! I go back inside, service advisor comes out and looks (he says he told the tech to look in the trunk for water)...he takes some stickie notes, marks the areas that were wet and gives me my rental Grand Prix back. Ugh. I hate this car.

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Old 06-07-2008, 02:07 PM   #12
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Trade it in and get a KIA!
That Optima I had as a rental actually wasn't a bad car! I like the Grand Prix I have now...way better than the '99 I used to own. So far I've had: Chevy Cobalt, Mazda 6, Hyundai Sonata, Kia Optima and now a Pontiac Grand Prix. Owning an Aura has introduced me to lots of other cars in a most unwanted way. It feels almost weird driving a car with a normal transmission again (the Grand Prix). The ride is SOOO much better than the Aura.

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There is already a GM District Specialist assigned to this problem after I called Saturn. The sunroof was worked on to fix the infamous rattle noise and my windshield was replaced from when it got cracked, both around the same time. The leak first started to happen about 2 months later. Dealership #1 said the windshield was leaking and to get it resealed which I did. Of course, I had the leak again. Dealership # 2 said it wasn't the windshield because of where I told them the water was coming in from so they agreed to water test the car and could not reproduce the problem. Ditto for Dealership # 3. As an added bonus there is a leak in my trunk that occurs after I take the car for a car wash that I discovered purely by chance a few weeks ago.

Based on this post, it seems as though the map lights did not leak prior to the sunroof and windshield repairs? If that is the case, it certainly seems as though the sunroof would be the culprit since the windshield has been resealed.

Trunk leaks are a pain and seem common. We had a car one time where the water was actually coming in from underneath the car. We pulled all of the carpet away and found that one of the welds/seams had started to crack and was allowing water to inflitrate the trunk. A thick bead of caulk solved that problem

I test drove a Dodge Intrepid back in 2003. Almost bought it, but went out on the lot one more time to look at it before deciding. Popped the trunk and noticed a basketball sized spot where the trunk carpet was darker then everywhere else. Yep, soaking wet all the way through (it had poured the day before). Went back inside, thanked the salesperson for their time, and walked away.

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Based on this post, it seems as though the map lights did not leak prior to the sunroof and windshield repairs?
Correct. The leak started a few weeks later after there was some heavy rain.

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Old 06-08-2008, 12:32 PM   #15
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A few years ago my brother had an '02 Elantra that was new at the time. Water would pour in from the map lights when it rained and you were moving. Took it to the dealer several times, couldn't dup it. Mildew ended up growing in the carpet. Finally they traced it to the windshield, resealed it which solved the leak. Then several trips back for them to attempt to get rid of the smell and mildew, they would run an ionizer through it and spray the worst smelling fragrance you can imagine. Finally they ended up replacing the carpet like they should have done in the first place. All said, probably 6 trips to the dealer for one stupid problem they should of fixed the first time around. I can't figure out why dealers fight so much on warranty work. I refuse to go to the dealer to have any maintenance or repairs done, I only go for warranty work or in the event of some bizarre driveability problem I'd be weary of going to an independent shop for.

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Old 06-09-2008, 01:06 PM   #16
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Some progress. Trunk leak is now supposedly fixed (bad weatherstripping). Map light leak still being investigated. GM refunded my extended warranty cost but let me keep the warranty coverage. Big whoop.

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OMG. They still can't reproduce the map light leak. I'm going to go crazy now. They're keeping it one more day to try and get it to happen. This is a nightmare.

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Did you ever get your water leak, from the map light, fixed? I have had the same problem since October 2008. Often they cannot reproduce the problem and have never been able to fix it.

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MJ moved on to a new car. He traded it in lol I know he fixed the trunk leak - its the electric cable - on some AURA's it has too much slack and when you close the trunk it crimps against the weather stripping allowing water in.

As for the maplight - no idea. I know it only started after he had the windshield replaced....

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So I've had a water leak from my map lights into the interior of the car after rainstorms for months now (leak in the trunk after a car wash, too). Three different dealerships can never duplicate the problem. It's driving me insane! Who would be equipped to figure out this problem besides the dealers who can't? I'm getting nowhere. Body shop? If I have to pay out of pocket I would, I'm going crazy.
if u wanna save money just find the reason for the leak yourself. spray the outside of your car with a water hose and wait until it leaks wherever you say it leaks. it shouldnt be that hard to trace the leak back to its origin. once u find it, just dab a tiny amount of clear silicon caulk on the crack or hole(assuming its small of course). im sure youd save at least a hundred bucks that way

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