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Old 06-15-2007, 09:21 AM   #41
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Not true. A head swap is $50-100 and an afternoon. A car that can compete with a well built turbo build on stock internals (220whp, 2500lbs, 30mpg+ when out of boost, etc), will be around $15k (a WRX/SRT4 with mods).
A head swap won't run with a turbo either, and any DIY mods are going to be much cheaper. What I was talking about is the lack of aftermarket support for the older Saturns, leading to lack of choices and options unless you go the DIY route.

For the cost of a turbo kit for the S series there are way more options for other vehicles that require less research or time, and give similar results.

For 7k I could choose about 20 ways to add easy output to my truck by a number of different methods. I haven't seen any Saturn crate engines with twice factory output, or blower and turbo kits for 3k and less.

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Old 06-15-2007, 12:17 PM   #42
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The kits on alpha are only 4.8K$ are those reliable?

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Old 06-15-2007, 12:40 PM   #43
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The kits on alpha are only 4.8K$ are those reliable?
Yes. Ill vouch for them. The craftmanship on them is only described by one word: Amazing.

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Old 06-15-2007, 01:22 PM   #44
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Getting things from the junk yard is great. Also check out craigslist every once in a while. I got a 14b turbo, intercooler, BOV, boost guage, and some other random stuff for a eagle talon all for $100. here is the link with a picture off all I got.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/pts/349896205.html

so I figure some of the stuff I don't need I can sell and make close to half my money back anyway.

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Old 06-15-2007, 05:47 PM   #45
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I know you can build a different car cheaper easier and quicker than a saturn but here is my deal. I want a sleeper sl2 with a pearl black paintjob. Maybe a tasteful body kit not one of those huge sweeper looking ones. I kinda like the r34 but i really want something smaller. I want it turbo'd and bored out to a 2.0. Gonna some forged internals so I cun run high boost. I got about 4 years left on active duty and I think I can achieve that. I dont have kids and I dont blow my money except on my car. So yeah if the kit is good then that is gonna be a definet purchase for me.

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Old 06-15-2007, 08:09 PM   #46
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Old 06-15-2007, 09:02 PM   #47
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How much was it for that manifold and downpipe?

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Old 06-15-2007, 09:35 PM   #48
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HOLY CRAP! Turbo and AC? Glad to see somebody didn't drop their AC for the turbo. I have all intentions of keeping mine as well.
The setup I am building will be quick from light to light. But not a high rpm monster like some others. I won't have the top end they will.

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Old 06-16-2007, 12:31 AM   #49
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That is a great looking set-up you have there Dreams. clean up the welds a little bit, throw a ceramic coating on them and the set-up would be good for shows. That is what I had in my head for my SC2. Do you have any pics with the motor installed by chance?

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Old 06-16-2007, 10:07 AM   #50
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So putting on a turbo setup is goona require a motor pull? Im glad back home in my mom's shop we have a cherry picker and every tool imaginable.

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Old 06-16-2007, 10:41 AM   #51
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Old 06-16-2007, 04:23 PM   #52
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So putting on a turbo setup is goona require a motor pull? Im glad back home in my mom's shop we have a cherry picker and every tool imaginable.
If all you are doing is adding a bolt on turbo kit, you should not have to pull the motor out. I am thinking that maybe other mods were done to strengthen the motor or so more boost can be added.

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Old 06-17-2007, 04:36 AM   #53
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I want my Saturn back...

It's things like this that make me hate the dropping of the Saturn S-series. Granted, the S-series had no real future for improvements, so they went with a different design to satisfy people who like shinys and such. Once the Ion was done(early), they went to the next car. However, with the market going the way it is, they had better bring the S-series back to the board and launch a "Return of the original" campaign. I don't even know if new cars can be taken to the average mechanic.

If I could have another Saturn, it'd be an SL2 with a beefed-up MP6, twin-cam 1.9 with a GT28, independant auxiliary fuel system, and the whole jazz.

Nice dream, eh?

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Old 06-17-2007, 07:36 AM   #54
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How can you beef up and MP6? And I have to ask why not an MP7? I won't bash you for wanting the auto. Power brake , release brake , GO! It's nice to be able to get the turbo spooled up quick and have it right there on take off. If you want it.
And why a GT28? SMaller turbo for quicker spool?
Only reason I could see pulling the motor is to install the lower tie plate from a 2000+ and install different pistons? Have the head ported?

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Old 06-17-2007, 02:33 PM   #55
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I didn't know that 10 psi out of a T3 was weaker than 10 PSI out of a T4.


I was under the inpression that 10 psi was 10 psi.

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Old 06-17-2007, 03:02 PM   #56
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I didn't know that 10 psi out of a T3 was weaker than 10 PSI out of a T4.


I was under the inpression that 10 psi was 10 psi.
Nope, that's the whole reason for matching a turbo properly to an engine.

Too small, and you have to bump the psi up a lot to compensate, and you'll be out of the turbo's effeciency range (making your top end mediocre at best).
Too big, and you'll be waiting too long ("turbo lag") to make boost.

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Old 06-17-2007, 11:47 PM   #57
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It comes down to pressure and volume. 10 psi from a T25 wouldn't be as much as 10 psi from a T4. All the cars with small turbos run small piping. The larger turbos seem to have larger piping due to the fact that they can push more volume.
This is what makes sense to me.
I saw an IHI turbo from a ford probe. That thing is smaller than my T25 , the guy said it was good for 10psi. And I have heard those and the turbo mx6 moved quite well.

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There is a difference between pressure and volume. Blow through a small straw, ya the air comes out fast, not not much. Blow through a big straw, lots air comes out. And if you blow hard enough, it will have the same pressure as the small straw.

So, PSI isn't the only thing to look for in a turbo. CFM is important, too.

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I saw an IHI turbo from a ford probe. That thing is smaller than my T25 , the guy said it was good for 10psi. And I have heard those and the turbo mx6 moved quite well.
iirc, they ran around a 15.5 stock. I've never seen a DOHC Turbo Saturn run anything that slow. Mainly because their turbo's were WAY undersized (think audi, saab, etc). They're more interested in "get up and go" in the low rpms, and therefore sacrifice potenetial large hp in the highend (aka what wins races and gets good 1/4 times).

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