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Old 09-18-2019, 11:01 PM   #1
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Default Starter Motor Brands and New vs Reman

There are some 10 year old threads on this subject. I figure they aren't necessarily relevant anymore in late 2019. So I'm creating a new one.

I need to replace my starter on my 02 SC2.

New I see
  • AC Delco Professional 3371165
  • AC Delco GM OE 19260748
  • dbelectrical 17667 "Valeo Unit" - appears to be same ad Power Select unit
  • Duralast (several options)
  • Bosch SR8554N
  • Napa Auto Parts (various, including choice of left or right side terminal??? )
  • Power Select 17667N "Valeo Unit"
  • Pure Engergy 12380N (comes with roadside assistance and tow of unspecified distance)
  • Remy 99700
  • TYC 117667 (Permanent Magnet Reduction - whatever that is...)
  • Valeo 438029



And of course reman units, which I am not considering unless someone can give me good reason to start.


What brands are known to last for a really long time?
Which ones tend to fail after a few years (or less)?
And what's up with the left or right side terminal?

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Old 09-18-2019, 11:10 PM   #2
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I suspect the dbelectrical and Power Select are the same as ECCP 17667N which is somewhat poorly reviewed on Amazon:

https://amzn.to/308NLrY

Manufacturer page here:
https://www.eccppautoparts.com/index...2-d6ra165.html

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Old 09-18-2019, 11:26 PM   #3
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Ive had good luck with the a/c delco pro.
The duralast worked great for several days.

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Old 09-18-2019, 11:43 PM   #4
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Ive had good luck with the a/c delco pro.
The duralast worked great for several days.

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And how long has the AC Delco Pro lasted you?

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Old 09-19-2019, 06:40 AM   #5
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I would go with either of the Delcos. I put a new AC Delco Professional in my truck and it works great. I didn't realize my original had slowed down until I put the new starter in. I replaced it because it was becoming intermittent. I saved it, and will eventually drop it off for rebuild at a local shop.

I don't think Rockauto had an OE listed for my truck, but other guys had gotten the Professional on the truck forum and thought it to be a good starter.

It's made in Korea not Mexico or China.

The other starter I was interested in, was made by Denso, but it was quite a bit more expensive.

The only real semi-bothersome point for me was that the OEM heat shield doesn't fit without modification. I needed to get the truck going right away, so I left it off. It's a mini-starter and I haven't had any trouble with overheating.

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I'm a DB Electric believer. Mine has 10,000 miles, 17 months, and one new driver behind it. This starter is on my '98. I've replaced the '99 starter several times, a couple times with new units. I don't remember the brands though.

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You can spend the extra money for the same starter in an ACDelco box if you want.

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Old 09-19-2019, 11:36 AM   #8
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And how long has the AC Delco Pro lasted you?
3.5 years now. I paid $98 for it on Amazon.

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Old 09-19-2019, 11:40 AM   #9
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I'm a DB Electric believer. Mine has 10,000 miles, 17 months, and one new driver behind it. This starter is on my '98. I've replaced the '99 starter several times, a couple times with new units. I don't remember the brands though.
The only issue I have with DB Electric is that availability is fleeting. I got a regulator for my motorcycle by checking the website a couple times a month until I got lucky and found it available.

Right now they don't show a starter for the mid-90's Saturns. Maybe they'll have something next week.

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Quick question, what's wrong with your current starter? If the fuseable link has gone bad from corrosion, that's very easily repairable. About an inch of copper wire and 10 minutes of your time. It happened with my original starter recently, quick and easy repair and its been fine since.

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Old 09-19-2019, 12:24 PM   #11
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They show stock.
https://www.dbelectrical.com/product...02-saturn.html

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Installed a DB Electric in April, 2013, and it was still going strong when I parked the car in early 2017.

So, about 4 years of starting at least twice a day, 5 days a week.

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You can get DBElectric from Amazon as well ($52), but I'd go direct to save them a few bucks.

https://www.amazon.com/DB-Electrical.../dp/B007Y85XMG

My first replacement was with a DBElectric at around 140k miles. 7 years later and another 140k miles I have another DB on my shelf waiting for the existing one to die.

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I think I've got 10 years and 50K miles on my DB Electrical starter. Unless things have changed, it was as good or better quality than the OEM Valeo starter that croaked at 60K miles. My mechanic (at the time) installed a rebuilt NAPA starter that failed in the first week, so that's why we went with DB Electrical.

Until I replaced my starter, I didn't really know about the 1997 model year's failed fuel pressure check valve issue, so I was cranking the car 2x to 3x every time I drove -- which probably caused the Bendix drive to wear out prematurely.

Anyway, DB Electrical units were cheap, well made, and durable which is why they have a following here.

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I'm skeptical of the dbelectrical starter because it has the same part number as a lot of other generic parts. To be fair those other parts, the ones that have reviews, have decent reviews, none more than 2 years old though.

Even though I am skeptical, I ordered from dbelectrical directly because then any warranty claim I may have will be handled directly through them (not so if you buy from amazon).

I plan to disassemble my current starter to see what's going on inside of it.

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OE starters are definitely better than any aftermarket one imo. Mine went 22 years before going out. I replaced it with the DBElectric and its been working fine the past year. I do plan on rebuilding my OE starter one day though

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First, you can not get the seals you need to properly rebuild that starter and the total available parts cost exceeds the cost of the DB Electric part. No one will turn and undercut the armature commutator for free either and that must be done. You can clean it up and install new brushes and get another year out of it but is is not an cost effective option.

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I have had a self installed DB Electric in my 1997 SW2 for a few years now, which means I activate the starter anywhere from 1 to 3 times for every start session - due the valve fault in the fuel pump.

It is still going strong.

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I have had a self installed DB Electric in my 1997 SW2 for a few years now, which means I activate the starter anywhere from 1 to 3 times for every start session - due the valve fault in the fuel pump.

It is still going strong.
Why do you hit the starter? You should be able to just turn the key to run to prime the fuel.

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Does anyone have experience with reman starters from Valeo or AC Delco?

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