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Old 06-26-2016, 10:33 AM   #1
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Default help! key stuck in acc position.

I parked my 1993 SW2 in preparation to go for a run and was sitting with the windows open texting before getting out of the car. I went to turn the key to ON to close the windows and the key won't budge.

The radio isn't working so perhaps it's stuck somewhere just before the accessories-on position.

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Old 06-26-2016, 10:42 AM   #2
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Here's a picture of the lock... for what it's worth.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:51 AM   #3
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Try gently tapping on the key while turning it. I would suggest you replace the cylinder assembly asap.

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Old 06-26-2016, 11:13 AM   #4
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Tried that. Nothing. Only thing I have in the car to tap with is a toy phone.

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Old 06-26-2016, 06:18 PM   #5
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Default Re: help! key stuck in acc position.

Try turning the steering wheel as youbturn the key the steering wheel lock could be in stupid mode

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Old 06-27-2016, 10:53 AM   #6
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Default Re: help! key stuck in acc position.

When this happens to me, i take a screwdriver and tap it against the back of the key. Loosens it up for me.

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Old 06-27-2016, 01:57 PM   #7
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Try turning the steering wheel as youbturn the key the steering wheel lock could be in stupid mode
I have the same problem intermittantly so i quickly turned the wheel all the way to one side and immediately turned the key and it turned off.

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Old 06-27-2016, 05:54 PM   #8
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Default Re: help! key stuck in acc position.

Sounds like you locked the wheel. Try turning the wheel to the left or right slightly while trying to turn the key to OFF. If it doesn't budge going in one direction, try the other. Rinse and repeat until it's unlocked.

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Old 06-27-2016, 07:24 PM   #9
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If you have broken tumblers you'er going to have to take the cylinder out the hard way. This is why you want to lube the cylinder yearly. And always use fresh keys. When they keys start to round off toss them.

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Old 06-28-2016, 10:12 PM   #10
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Fluid Film is your friend for this. It has kept mine going. And I think that I am on my third key.

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Old 07-02-2016, 02:41 AM   #11
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Thanks for the tips folks. I ended up having to get the car towed home. After taking apart the column (thanks 700+SL2 in a conversation on the S-series Facebook page), I was able to get the cylinder out. I could then start the car, but couldn't shut it off. It seems the housing is jammed as well. The cylinder had a piece broken off and possibly this jammed the housing. I got a new cylinder on Ebay and I have ordered a new housing. In the meantime I removed the switch from the left side of the column and just use any key in the slot of the switch to turn it on and off/start it etc.

The cylinder is aftermarket. I don't know if I can get GM to change the tumblers for my original factory key code. If not, I'll just have to use two different keys.

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Old 07-02-2016, 09:06 AM   #12
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If you buy the cylinder kit on Amazon it comes with sets of wafers and you can re-key your new cylinder. These are for a gen-3 but will sufice for the older car, just fewer parts.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:35 PM   #13
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So, I have all the parts, but I have another problem.


The two halves of the steering column cover are held together mostly with screws that have a head size of 5.5mm (7/32" fits). However, the hole closest to the foreground in the photo requires a very deep socket (close to 2 inches) to get at the head of the screw. I ended up breaking it to get it off and glued the shaft back together (it broke at the bottom of the shaft in this photo (actually the top of it since it's upside-down in the picture). I duco-cemented it back together for now and would like to get at the screw so I can take it apart properly to assemble it on the car.

Does anyone have experience with this? I'm thinking I have to use a nut driver since the 1/4" shank for even a deep socket isn't far enough from the tip of the socket... I ground the shank down on my bench grinder of a 7/32" deep socket, but it still wasn't long enough to reach.

I figure that a 7/32" or 5/5mm nut driver with thin walls and a long stem would work. Unfortunately, 5.5mm and 7/32" isn't a common size so I can't find them at the local hardware store (I'm lucky to find 5mm and 1/4").

I saw some on obscure websites when googling, but I thought I'd ask anyone here if they have experience taking this apart and where they got the tool to do it.
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Old 07-26-2016, 03:36 PM   #14
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I too broke my sons' column shroud for exactly the same reason. That said with the bottom part bolted up to the column, the top shroud 'clipped' on top. It wasn't all that secure, but didn't move about. My son ran with it like that until I fessed up and admitted I'd broken it!

I got another shroud set form the JU, but instead of using the hex screws that require the deeeeeeep socket, I used self tapping screws instead. Using a thin philips screwdriver, I don't have stressful issues and the whole thing buttons up fine.

It's a screwy system that Saturn used here.

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So, I have all the parts, but I have another problem.


The two halves of the steering column cover are held together mostly with screws that have a head size of 5.5mm (7/32" fits). However, the hole closest to the foreground in the photo requires a very deep socket (close to 2 inches) to get at the head of the screw. I ended up breaking it to get it off and glued the shaft back together (it broke at the bottom of the shaft in this photo (actually the top of it since it's upside-down in the picture). I duco-cemented it back together for now and would like to get at the screw so I can take it apart properly to assemble it on the car.

Does anyone have experience with this? I'm thinking I have to use a nut driver since the 1/4" shank for even a deep socket isn't far enough from the tip of the socket... I ground the shank down on my bench grinder of a 7/32" deep socket, but it still wasn't long enough to reach.

I figure that a 7/32" or 5/5mm nut driver with thin walls and a long stem would work. Unfortunately, 5.5mm and 7/32" isn't a common size so I can't find them at the local hardware store (I'm lucky to find 5mm and 1/4").

I saw some on obscure websites when googling, but I thought I'd ask anyone here if they have experience taking this apart and where they got the tool to do it.
TORX head screws will work better than Phillips and the normal TORX head deck screw fits fine. You can buy the proper TORX bit that is long enough to reach. Or you can buy that elusive 7/32"(5.5mm) nut driver as it is a standard size for electronics equipment fasteners. The cost for either approach will be about the same.

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I got this, which did the trick fine.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001IULR26

Now I need to get the time to take the housing off of the steering column so I can put it all back together.

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Those work and they are top of the line tools.

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