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Old 10-03-2018, 10:25 PM   #1
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I am just going to leave this here.

https://youtu.be/NWdCtwJm6nA

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Old 10-03-2018, 10:44 PM   #2
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I always look to graphs to try to make sense and maybe jog my memory.
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/12/...ng-in-the-70s/
Cost of fuel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_oil_crisis

So, discount the socioecomomic mumbo-jumbo in the first link and look to the spike in fuel cost for the reason.

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Old 10-03-2018, 11:51 PM   #3
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I barely remember the GMC RV, a middle to upper class convenience to drive a motor home any where in the USA, park in camp sites or rv parks with electrical hook ups. Not a poor mans rv. That front wheel drive setup from the Toronado is unusual as I thought all RVs were rear wheel drive. GM may be the first back then with a luxury (Toronado) car using front wheel drive when rear wheel drive was considered conventional. I remember working on a Toronado ac system (r12) for a co-worker - a very sketchy and unorthodox repair but ac was ice cold. I mentioned zero guarantees for my sketchy repair.

I can imagine those still owning a classic GM rv and maintaining it, before catalytic converters, before EFI systems. If maintained they're gross polluters but exempt from present day emissions inspections. Anyone owning one with the means to upgrade the engine may adapt an aftermarket EFI system to tweak power, maybe add a converter or two to help reduce emissions......while upgrading the interior and refurbish the exterior for as long as possible.

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Old 10-04-2018, 10:03 AM   #4
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I barely remember the GMC RV, a middle to upper class convenience to drive a motor home any where in the USA, park in camp sites or rv parks with electrical hook ups. ....

https://youtu.be/8IC2jbbee70

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...maybe add a converter or two to help reduce emissions......while upgrading the interior and refurbish the exterior for as long as possible.
The number of miles driven would make earth-harmful emissions insignificant. And, 1978 was when GM vehicles were heaped full of emissions equipment.
That Toronado engine probably had an air pump.

The only thing bad I remember hearing about those RVs was that they ate tires. Not a deal-breaker.

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Old 10-04-2018, 12:11 PM   #5
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Bean counters have ruined more companies that any other cause IMHO.

It's all about short term gain and nothing else.

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Honda ceased production of 2-cycle engines for similar reasons. - Even though Honda 2-cycle engines were most excellent and they could have kept selling them.

1) GM did not get throttle body fuel injection until...1985?
2) Were these motorhomes EXEMPT from having to have the latest emissions equipment? If the exemption expired, then I bet all that equipment wouldn’t fit under the hood. I’d guess the Toranado engine was a tight fit under the hood.

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The 2 cycle engine in automobiles died on 12/31/67 and was killed by the clean air act and the limits on automotive emissions that became requirements starting on 1/1/68.

I used to have a SAAB 95 and 96 3 cylinder 2 cycle car and station wagon.

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My 1985 Suburban had TBI.

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My 1984 Pontiac Fiero had TBI. Even the very first Cavaliers had TBI. Fuel injection(mechanical) was available with Corvettes in their 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen. I think they called it the "Cross-fire" injection. Don't quote me on that.

Carburetors are actually better for atomization, than fuel injection is, IF they are designed correctly and mated to a correctly-engineered intake manifold.

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