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Old 06-27-2003, 03:22 PM   #1
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Old 07-01-2003, 04:28 PM   #2
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Hi,

I would be intrested in these for 30.00. I think 75.00 might be a little high for these, but best of luck. I mean no disrespect, but I have seen these on ebay every now and then and they start off around 30.00 as an opening bid.


email me at thanson3@gac.edu if you cant find a bidder.

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The manuals generally close around $75+ although starting the auction that high may discourage some people from bidding. However I'm sure someone will end up picking up a new set at a 50% discount from what they retail for. $30 seems an appropriate starting bid but I have never seen an auction close for that little.
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Old 07-01-2003, 11:32 PM   #4
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It just depends on the market. I am sure that some of them have ended around 35-40, but some have also gone for as high for 75.00. It is all about supply and demand. If she gets someone that is willing to pay that much. great. However, I have to disagree with Lurker that they haven't ever gone for that low.

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I think you all need to call your local Saturn parts counter.

You'd be interested in these for $30? $30 would barely buy you ONE HALF of one of the three books through the dealer. And as far as availability through your local auto parts store--forget it. I'm pretty sure they're dealer only items.

I'm disappointed that the people who have responded to this thread may not know that these will cost you $150 for the set new from the dealer. I bought a set eight months ago so I know what they cost. Tried to sell them for $100 and all I got was low-balled. So, I'm giving them to the person who buys the car and cutting my losses.

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Old 07-02-2003, 12:34 AM   #6
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I still strongly disagree. It isn't what a person paid for them. It is how much the public thinks they are worth. It is the whole idea of ebay. The idea of a freemarket place. If you don't like the idea of the marketplace then it is time to get out of America. This is one of the founding ideas of American business. Yes. 30 was a little low maybe more like 40-50, but I would never pay 75 for them. If she can get someone to then that is great to her. She seems like a nice person, unlike some who post here.

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Oddjob, you seem a bit bitter about something????

I will agree, something is worth only what another is willing to pay. I would buy the books for $75 if I could afford to right now. But, I'm running tight for the next few weeks. If you still have them around the 17th of this month, I'll buy them for the $75. Plus, I don't live too far away so the shipping should be within reason.

You guys can stay in America. American business has been infiltrated by interest groups and corruption. It's not TRULY fair trade anymore. And no, I'm not one of those granola eating, tree hugging, conspiracy theory idiots either.
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Old 07-02-2003, 10:52 AM   #8
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No, I wouldn't say I am bitter, I just felt that people thought I was trying to rip her off, which was never my goal. I was just trying to bargin hunt. I agree that my opening suggestion was too low. The few cases that I saw on ebay must have been steals, because it sounds like people can get that much for these books.

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you gotta remember, that these books on this auction are used.
"Used" to me means slice the new price in half $150/2 = $75.00 voila! There you have your starting price. Then if they're in good condition, which it looks like they are, you can go up from there.

While I agree with eBay to get any bids you need to start ALL auctions at 1 cent , it will end up going up to the fair market value by the end of the auction. If someone REALLY wants them, they will PAY.
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I agree, I don't know but I know that some people have gotton those books new for 100.00 which acording to the half princple would be 50.00 which is reasonable. I would pay 50 for them, but never 75.00 and that is just my opinion it seems that people are willing to pay that much for these, and just shows that the marketplace ideals are working.

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Ha! Ha! I got my Economics degree from e-Bay! :oP
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I an a business major at a private college in the upper midwest. While we may not think we barter anymore. Anyone who shops for the best prices or looks at ads for the best sale is part of the supply and demand curve. Maybe some people aren't smart enough to realize this. When the masses don't buy an item it goes on sale because there is a great surplus. Same goes for ebay or for this sales board. I didn't think there was the demand for them at that price, and I guess there is. But for anyone to say that the business practices of ebay aren't applied in real life doesn't know anything about economics in America.
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I'd be willing to shell out $75 for a set of these manuals but right now I'm not in the market. Working in an apartment garage makes Chilton based projects about the most complex I want things to go. Selling the manuals for a 50% discount in the secondary market (assuming the shipping isn't murderous) seems reasonable.
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Old 07-03-2003, 01:10 AM   #14
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However, 50% of 100 is not 75.00. Some have sold new for 100. So 50 would be reasonable.
However, not 75.00

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Anyone who shops for the best prices or looks at ads for the best sale is part of the supply and demand curve. Maybe some people aren't smart enough to realize this. When the masses don't buy an item it goes on sale because there is a great surplus. Same goes for ebay or for this sales board. I didn't think there was the demand for them at that price, and I guess there is. But for anyone to say that the business practices of ebay aren't applied in real life doesn't know anything about economics in America.
This is a very simplified view of business and economics. You have to look at demand from a different persepective. Being that the product at hand has very little in the way of selective demand potential (there are no true competitive products), you must focus on the primary demand or total number of potential buyers. You can use Ebay as a tool to get a ROUGH idea of how much someone is willing to pay for something. But, remember that Ebay is simply one source of information or market research. Transactions completed on Ebay don't necessarily represent all market activity. And, even if you exclusively look at Ebay as your lone sample of market research, you will find that trends tend to be affected by several other factors (competition for high bid, payment options, location, shipping costs, etc..).

Discounting or reducing items for sale doesn't always equate to soft demand. Many organiztions use sales to gain interest, sell in quantity at lower margains, utlilze push/pull tactics, loss-leaders...you name it. Your analysis is very general and not totally accurate.

Sorry to pull the "business geek" tone but I think there's a lot more to it. And now back to those books!!!
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Hi,

I totally agree that was the mini version of the economics perspective on this issue. I totally agree. Using ebay as my main tool for information is very rough, but it seems to be a good general starting point because they seem to be the largest seller online of such books and other items. Again though I think that is is wrong to assume that a certain percentage of the orginial price is currect either. I think there are many factors involved which SLeeper points out well. So instead of trying to prove who is right and who is wrong, lets just say that both can be right depending on the circumstances.

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It's worth whatever the General says it is worth!




Just kidding ... no economics degree at all.
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Actually, I would like a set of those, but until the Canadian dollar is closer to par I am out of the bidding.
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However, 50% of 100 is not 75.00. Some have sold new for 100. So 50 would be reasonable.
However, not 75.00

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I don't understand why people think that all used items should sell at a steep discount.

If it is something that gets worn down as it is used, such as brake pads or tires, then I can understand the request for a discount. But if it is something that does not wear out, such as an air intake system or a set of books, then I don't understand why potential buyers want a discount.
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Although I don't totally agree, the general feeling is that Saturn owners complain about the price of parts and other items.

David93SL2m, I agree with you 100%. Unless the manuals are covered in motor oil and have torn pages, there's no reason to sell them for pennies on the dollar. Condition-sensitive items are a little different story.
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