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Old 01-19-2013, 03:46 AM   #1
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Default 2.2 -> 2.4 swap

Just curious... Still getting my feet wet with GM stuff.

Can I swap my 2.2 for a 2.4, with harness and ECU I assume, then flash the ECU with my current VIN? HPTuners doesn't support the Ecotec 2.2, AFAIK. Could do the flash with a Tech2? Buddy's got a BMW L6 in time trials and wondering if I can compete. LOL. Whatever!

BTW, there are 6 updates to the initial factory ECU flash. No idea what state my ECU is in, and I have a high idle for no apparent reason now, presumably because I pull it outta gear and coast to a stop regularly? Just sayin, I'm geussing everyone with (at least) an '06 Ion needs the latest flash.

ANY enlightenment on my high idle issue is welcome! No, I don't have a vacuum leak. Yes, I have a new throttle body.

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I don't know about hptuners, but trifecta performance supports the 2.2s, and my tuned 2.2 feels like a completely different engine. If you want to just work with your 2.2, an intake and manifold, exhaust (whole thing, including the manifold), and synthetic fluids (to support driving the car harder) are all you really need to get the most out of it. You can also supercharge the 2.2 several ways.

Since you already have an 06, you may be able to swap in a 2.4, afaik, the harness, ecu, possibly ip are the only major differences, but you might want to make sure the radiator isn't different, too.
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Won't happen ud need to swap harnesses.
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Default Re: 2.2 -> 2.4 swap

06_Ion2 I do believe he said something about the harness in his original post. You may want to re-read.
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06_Ion2 I do believe he said something about the harness in his original post. You may want to re-read.
There's a lot more to it than just a harness, would need the odometer display from the 2.4 also.

There's other things than a 2.2 has throughout the years to make a 2.4 even work. What year to what year does matter. It's not a Honda were talking about.
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Default Re: 2.2 -> 2.4 swap

I have an 07 ion 2.2 5 speed and i think its about to spin a bearing in the motor and was wondering how hard it would be to put a 2.4 in it is that possible?
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Harness, ip, engine, ecu. That's at a minimum.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:55 AM   #8
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So it would probably be cheaper to just get a 2.2 huh
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^While I'm not an Ion owner and wish I could upgrade my engine to something with more power (if it existed as a 4 cylinder), it's safe to say that, yes, it would be less expensive in money and time to stay with your 2.2L engine size.

Depending upon which state you reside in an engine swap (larger, or later year, or both) could have an impact upon your emissions requirements. Typically, emission requirements follow whichever is newer so if your engine swapped is newer than the age of the car then emission requirements apply to the age of the engine. If an older engine is placed in a newer car then the emission requirements apply to the age of the car. It's worth investigating this should you choose to swap to a larger displacement engine and/or one from a different year model. One would not want to run afoul of smog laws accidentally and then have to deal with potential consequences later.
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We don't have emissions here so that's no problem its straight piped also shoots flames out the exhaust. Think im just gonna sell it found a nice civic.
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Went to the mechanic he said it sounds like rod is knocking and that it may just need a head but dont the rods run to the bottom end? It only knock when it gets above 2500 rpm at idle ot doesn't and if anyone has any ideas on what it could be would be appreciated.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:45 AM   #12
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Only rods on these engines are in the bottom of the engine for the pistons. The valves are directly acted on by the cam followers
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Went to the mechanic he said it sounds like rod is knocking and that it may just need a head but dont the rods run to the bottom end?
You are correct, connecting rods are in the engine block.

Several years ago, on the afternoon when a con rod blew a hole in the block of my wife's '94 Camry, 2.0L, (what turned out to be) a gentle rod knock was heard briefly - a couple of seconds - while getting on the freeway and then it was gone. We continued on our way. About a half an hour later and 25 miles down the highway the engine blew and that was the end of the Camry. The engine had 178K plus miles on it and the whole car was in great shape otherwise. However, replacing the engine cost more than the car was worth so it was sold to a wrecking yard. I'm sure that they got well more than their money's worth out of that one.

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It only knock when it gets above 2500 rpm at idle ot doesn't and if anyone has any ideas on what it could be would be appreciated.
If the mechanic is correctly identifying a rod knock then the block has to be rebuilt or replaced. If the head also needs work then it's now a full engine rebuild or replacement. Since we cannot hear what's going on, is it possible for you to put up a sound sample for us by uploading a audio-video on YouTube?
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Thanks for the information and I'll put a video up tomorrow it's straight piped and late now dont wanna make thr neighbors mad lol.
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I uploaded a video to YouTube it's called 07 saturn ion 2.2 knocking sorry I cant put a link on here it says i have to post 15 times and im new here so.
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Dude, that's one pi$$ed off engine. I honestly think you needed a rebuild or new junkyard engine. What happened to this car? There's no way this is from just driving it.
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Old 07-20-2016, 02:36 PM   #17
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It's been drag raced alot been down Atlanta drag way like 15 times and every Honda in town thinks it can out run me so I have to show them lol I can get a motor with 80 thousand miles for 650 and was thinking about putting cams in it since ill already have the motor out and be easier to get to.
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I listened to the sound from the YouTube upload. This sounds like a rod knock to me as well. Another member, frostman, had an L Series with the 2.2L which he'd modified for racing. He wasn't at a drag strip as the speeds were lower, it was some other type of high speed action over a greater distance.

He shared many of his upgrades in the L Series Forum area and did really nice work. Unforturnately, his engine gave out because of the amount of high RPM driving he put it through. While our 2.2L's can go for many miles and serve us well, they are not conceived as racing engines, regardless of how much they're modified. I feel badly for you that you must repair or replace this engine, but what was being done with it was basically abusive......and it's too bad.
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Yea I knew it wouldn't hold up to long but I bought the car for 500 dollars and it had 150 thousand miles and was missing the front bumper and was sitting for two years ive had it about 3 years now and it has 198 thousand miles now so I can't complain I have a Chrysler 300 so this is kinda like a project ill get it fixed put some comp cams and maybe super charge it i can get a super charger for 250 just need the inter cooler injectors and a tune.
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You can make 1000hp out of these engines, they even made a salt flat car out of one of these cars. There is a book it there telling you what parts of the engine need what for a given hp number. Power is handled easily, and as you stated can beat hondas, chryslers, and even some legit v8s, but power is different than beating it down the drag strip over and over. They'll do 300hp over 300k miles built right, but beaten you're going to need to rebuild the engine periodically.
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