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Old 06-17-2010, 06:29 PM   #21
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wouldn't that mess up the flash though? its worth a try though. Ill try and make time to take it there tomorrow and let you guys know also I have a clip of my exhaust system that I will try and post tomorrow. currently running resonator and thats it. Love the sound
You probably only need to do the 30 minute password relearn.

Here's a sentence from theft section of GM service manual:

A PCM which has been previously installed in another vehicle will have learned the other vehicle's fuel continue password and will require a learn procedure to store the current vehicle's password.

And here's the procedure for the 30 minute relearn:

30-Minute Learn Procedure

1. Turn ON ignition, with engine OFF.
2. Attempt to start engine, then release the key to ON, vehicle will not start.
3. Observe the SECURITY telltale, after approximately 10 minutes the telltale will turn OFF.
4. Turn OFF the ignition, and wait 5 seconds.
5. Repeat steps 1-4 two more times for a total of 3 cycles/30 minutes. The vehicle is now ready to relearn the Passlockô Sensor Data Code and/or passwords on the next ignition switch transition from OFF to CRANK.

Important: The vehicle learns the Passlockô Sensor Data Code and/or password on the next ignition switch movement from OFF to CRANK.

YOU MUST TURN IGNITION KEY OFF BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO START VEHICLE.

6. Start the engine. The vehicle has now learned the Passlockô Sensor Data Code and/or password and saved in BCM and PCM for future use.
7. Note: if service engine light is ON, use a suitable scan tool to clear any trouble codes. Codes stored in history will self-clear after 100 ignition cycles.
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:52 PM   #22
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I would love to hear that clip - any chance you have a take off or drive by clip as well? Your old exhaust sounded amazing.
I have both. Its just like the last one except this time its a 4 minute clip and I dont have the software to clip it so I will mark the times the car drives by. Im in sacramento right now and only have my netbook so I dont have the memory card reader to take the video off. I will post it on monday!


far2grumpy: THANK YOU, I never would of found that. Like I said above Im in Sacramento and I didn't bring the ECU so I will also do this on Monday.

I did NOT take my ecu to the dealer. They wanted 150 to reflash it to my vin. which would completely ruin everything Im trying to do.

Im really really hoping this will work! altho Im trying not to get too excited because I have a feeling its not going to


I also bought an underdrive pulley. I have tried to install it three times. once with hand tools (snapped the craftsman piece) next I tried an air gun with a 20 gallon tank, didnt budge. then I had some friends that work on derby cars for a living bring their 500lbs air gun which they say break bolts to pull the f*#ker off.. we emptied the 120 gallon tank over 15 times and used liquid wrench but we had no luck. I think Im just going to take it to a shop and have them get it off.
with the two mods my off the line performance should be alot better
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:35 PM   #23
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You need a breaker bar with a pipe on the end. If you take it to a shop that's probably what they'll use.
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Old 06-19-2010, 09:03 PM   #24
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tried it.. ive tried everything, it wont budge.

I wonder if the 04 ecu is the reason some 04 saturn vue reviews list its 0-60 at 6.6
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Old 06-21-2010, 04:49 AM   #25
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Yikes.

Yeah, I remember car and driver TV reviewing the V6 back in the day. I believe they said something along the lines of how easily it lights up the tires, squats on its hind legs, and launches like a "stink bug in heat."

With the 05+ ECU it feels like a mid 7 second run to 60.
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:34 PM   #26
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I would love to hear that clip - any chance you have a take off or drive by clip as well? Your old exhaust sounded amazing.
I have both. Its just like the last one except this time its a 4 minute clip and I dont have the software to clip it so I will mark the times the car drives by. Im in sacramento right now and only have my netbook so I dont have the memory card reader to take the video off. I will post it on monday!

You promised!!!
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:10 PM   #27
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I know I promised! and i have tried to upload the video to youtube, photobucket and to the forum. All have failed. Probably because the video is 345mb. I may just have to make another video and this time make sure my friend knows to stop the video after each pass lol.

As for the passlock relearn. Ive tried it many times. That does seem to be the problem but everytime I get to step 3 the security light (well in my case the icon with a car and a lock) wont turn off. and occasionally the icon will flash when I put the key in.
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Old 07-16-2010, 09:45 AM   #28
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Updates?
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Old 09-28-2010, 01:25 AM   #29
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IM BACK lol
sorry I havent been on the forums in awhile.
Durning the summer i got pretty bored and pulled my my car apart. ill post some pics up tomorrow.
As for the ECU.. i have contacted a place we work with and he said he will work on it and may have to go and have the BCM(i believe) relearn the ecu. or something like that(this convo happened 3 months ago..) and im not sure if im willing to spend the money to get it done. Just because the ecu might have been re-flashed for all I know.

As for the Underdrive pulley... its going on TOMORROW! i have an appt at a different place we supply parts to and they said they will pull it off. Figured i might as well have them do that since im doing my second tranny drain and fill( and this time changing the filter also) an oil change and im having them look at my cv shaft because there is a clicking when i make sharp left turns.

Ill update you guys further when i get my car back.

Also i took a 0-60 video. to me it looked like a sub 7 sec 0-60.
let me know what u guys think!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KAxUf1brKw
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:45 PM   #30
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What's that light on your dash?
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Old 09-30-2010, 08:29 PM   #31
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Why you shiftin so early in 2nd? Keep that sucker in L until 6500!

GOD I MISS THAT SOUND
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:10 PM   #32
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So I finally got the ecu to work! I did the 30 minute relearn. The light failed to turn off so I retried it 3 times and on the 4th try it turned on! complete surprise.
First gear pulls hard now. I havent had much chance to play with it due to rain yesterday.. I will say all other gears feel slower. Maybe thats just in my head because of the change in 1st. Vtec DOES NOT engage but there is no throttle restriction in 1st anymore.
Also I installed the pulley but noticed no difference in performance.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:59 AM   #33
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Please post a video, I would love to compare your first gear to mine.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:10 AM   #34
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well first let me know what u think this 0-60 time is.
I really notice the difference when starting from a slight roll. The tires struggle to keep traction throughout 1st gear.
This was just taken. Tires were warm from 30+mins of driving. These are 245/45/20 and they are pretty sticky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9244..._order&list=UL thats with traction control.

This isnt...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEeRY...oKGyTs&index=1
I could never do that before. and my tires arent bald.(yet)
can anyone else do this? with 20's
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I timed a 6.3 sec 0 to 60 with the traction control on run. Looks really good.

With a cat delete/custom j-pipe you would easily be under 6 seconds.
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0-60 in about 8 seconds from the looks of it to me?
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0-60 in about 8 seconds from the looks of it to me?
you must be talking about the video where it burned em through 1st.
yah that was slow and im not sure why 2nd gear didnt pull.
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you must be talking about the video where it burned em through 1st.
yah that was slow and im not sure why 2nd gear didnt pull.
Yeah I counted 8 seconds for that one too, 2nd gear probably didn't pull because you had it in "L" so it short-shifted 1st. A good tune would probably make a difference, if you could push the shift points even higher.
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I have a G Tech I'll see if I can get it, but I'm on 235/50/18's as the stupid dealer put the wrong tires on. Now I'm waiting on the correct ones. These ones spin a ton.
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I'm hoping to buy a 2004 V6 AWD later this week. I guess I'll have to do a search but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a decent CPU tuner out for the VUE V6.

-Edit looks like there are no aftermarket flashes available. I'll have to look up the technical differences in the programming between the early ECUs and the newer ones. I have a few contacts at GM dealerships, maybe I could get someone to flash an early tune... if the ECU is in fact flash-able.

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