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Old 01-30-2012, 11:11 PM   #1
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Default Oil leak puzzler

While doing something in the garage tonight I noticed a few drops of oil on the floor where the wife parks the Aura.

After she got home tonight, I checked the engine compartment for anything out of the ordinary. Bone dry on the topside, but when I went underneath the car, the bottom of the engine was covered in oil.

I'm pretty sure the guys that changed the oil last just left the oil filter loose, but I'm not sure. Where is it located, and should I take it to another mechanic first for diagnosis before heading back to the oil change place demanding a fix, fill and another oil change (done right)?

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Old 01-30-2012, 11:18 PM   #2
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OK just checked again. Oil filter area is bone dry too. Leaking heavier on the passenger side.

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Old 01-31-2012, 11:11 AM   #3
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At the dealer now. Front crank seal. Covered under warranty.

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Old 01-31-2012, 11:15 AM   #4
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Default Re: Oil leak puzzler

Hey Spacepope, is this the 3.5 or 2.4?

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Old 01-31-2012, 03:38 PM   #5
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Default Re: Oil leak puzzler

It's the 3.5. Surprised to see the oil coming out, but the dealer had me in, fixed and out in less than 2 hours, without an appointment.



Here's a pic of what told me something was wrong. Note oil filter area is dry.

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So what ended up being the problem?

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Old 01-31-2012, 03:46 PM   #7
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So what ended up being the problem?
Faulty "Front Crank Seal". Whatever that is. I'd like to know more about these seals.

Has anyone else had this issue yet?

Will all that oil eventually wash off the underside of the engine?

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Faulty "Front Crank Seal". Whatever that is. I'd like to know more about these seals.

Has anyone else had this issue yet?

Will all that oil eventually wash off the underside of the engine?
On a cold engine, use engine cleaning spray & a hose to clean off residual oil.
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Service Information 2007 Saturn AURA | AURA, BAS Hybrid (VIN Z) Service Manual | Document ID: 2042661
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#07-06-01-023: 60 Degree V6 Engine Oil Leak at Crankshaft Front Oil Seal (Use New Crankshaft Front Oil Seal Installer Tool EN-48869) - (Dec 5, 2007)


Subject: 60 Degree V6 Engine Oil Leak at Crankshaft Front Oil Seal (Use New Crankshaft Front Oil Seal Installer Tool EN-48869)


Models: 1986-2008 GM Passenger Cars and Light Duty Trucks (including Saturn)

with 2.8L, 3.1L, 3.4L, 3.5L or 3.9L 60 Degree V6 Engine

(VINs D, E, F, J, K, L, M, N, R, S, T, V, W, X, Z, 1, 3, 8, 9, W, R --

RPOs LG6, LA1, LNJ, LG8, LL1 or LX9, L82, LL2, LB8, LHO, LG5, LB6, LE2 or LQ1, LH7, LC1, L44, LZ4, LZE, LZ9, LGD, LZ8, LZG)




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Important: This bulletin does not apply to 2004-2007 Saturn VUE models with 3.5L DOHC V6 Engine (VIN 4 - RPO L66) or 2005-2008 Cadillac CTS with 2.8L HFV6 Engine (VIN T - RPO LP1).

Important: This bulletin only applies to 60 degree V6 engines. Some of the discontinued 60 degree V6 engine VINs and RPOs may have carried over to other new model year engines and may no longer be a 60 degree V6 engine. So this bulletin may not apply. It is very important to verify that the following information is correct before using this bulletin:

Year of vehicle (e.g. N = 1992)

V6 Engine Liter size (e.g. 3.4L)

VIN CODE (e.g. X)

RPO (e.g. LQ1)

If ALL the information from the vehicle (year, size, VIN Code, RPO) you're working on can be found under the models listed above, then this bulletin applies to that engine. If one or more of the vehicle's information can NOT be found under the models listed above, then this bulletin does NOT apply.

Condition
Some customers may comment on external oil leakage.

Correction
Important: Before replacement of the crankshaft front oil seal, be sure the PCV system is operating correctly.

Tools Required
Important: TOOLS WERE SHIPPED TO YOUR DEALERSHIPS. IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED THEM OR THEY ARE LOST, PLEASE CALL GM SPECIAL SERVICE TOOLS AT 1-800-GM-TOOLS.

The EN-48869 has a unique design to allow the technician to easily install the front crankshaft seal squarely to the correct depth and direction. Before proceeding with installation, review the illustration below to become familiar with the tool.





EN-48869 Crankshaft Front Oil Seal Installation Tool
Installer Body
Bearing
Washer
Drive Nut
Force Screw
Removal Procedure
Remove the crankshaft balancer. Refer to Crankshaft Balancer Replacement in SI.



Important: Use care not to damage the engine front cover or nick the crankshaft.

Remove the crankshaft front oil seal (1) using a suitable tool.
Installation Procedure




Lubricate the inside of the crankshaft front oil seal (1) with clean engine oil. Then install the seal to the installer body (2).



Align the oil seal and installer body (1) with the engine front cover and crankshaft.



Important: Before installing the force screw, apply a small amount of the Extreme Pressure Lubricant J 23444-A, provided in the tool kit, to the force screw.

Install the drive nut (4) onto the threaded force screw shaft (5), washer (3), and bearing (2). Then install to the installer body (1) and tighten the force screw to the crankshaft by hand.



Using a wrench, turn the drive nut on the threaded force screw shaft (2), this will push the seal into the engine front cover.



Continue to turn the drive nut (2) with the wrench until the installer body (1) is snug and flush against the engine front cover.



Loosen and remove the drive nut from the threaded force screw shaft, washer, bearing, and installer body. Verify that the seal has seated properly, flush against front cover flange (1).
Install the crankshaft balancer. Refer to Crankshaft Balancer Replacement in SI.
Inspect for proper fluid levels.
Inspect for leaks.
Parts Information
Part Number
Description
Qty

10243247
Seal, Crankshaft Front Oil
1


Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation
Description
Labor Time

J0750
Seal, Timing Cover Oil Replace
Use Published Labor Operation Time




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Old 02-01-2012, 09:59 PM   #9
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Thanks for posting that info, greenman!

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