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Old 04-20-2018, 09:26 PM   #21
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The seismic plug wire retainers are not required if using a quality plug wires. The 98 and older engine is an entirely different head design.

The 99 is a true gen-3 design all of this 2.5/early/late stuff is leftover from less than literate new car salesmen.

If you get that plastic cover onto that head without any leaks it will be considered a minor miracle.

Do check for leaks as these engines do not last long without oil and you can leak a quart every 15 minutes of moderate speed driving.

You can not see an oil leak. Clean off the head/cam cover joint with clean paper towels and brake cleaner until spotless. Start engine and allow to sit at idle until the fan is about to come on and then shut it off. Now take a ball of toilet paper and blot all around the head/cam cover joint and check the paper for signs of oil after every blot. If you do not find any oil give the car several hours to sit and cool then repeat toilet paper spot test.

Back side and left end are very popular leak locations.
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I will check for those leaks. The plugs were not bad. Average ​gap .043 except #1 which was oil soaked and .038. Tomorrow I hope to get the other dogbone in and start the brakes.
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I've replaced the right side dogbone too now.
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These were the set I rebuilt for the '99 SL2. I have a cheap set on the '99 as an attempt to reduce the stage 2 clutch shudders. I have the right side fenderwell buttoned up. Here is my punch list:
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2) grease tie rod ends
3) drain coolant to flush with water
4) check ECTS
5) lube window tracks
6) investigate reverse shifting (shifts super hard even when not running)

Once I can drive it around the airport I'll change the oil, filter, and transmission fluid. I still have to insure and register it too.
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Old 04-22-2018, 05:39 PM   #24
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I ran into a brake issue. I could not get the driver's side caliper piston back in without heroics. Couldn't do it with heroics either. The boot is torn, must have rusted in there. So, I'm going to replace both calipers and rubber lines. I have some leftover nicopp and will also replace the front metal lines as they each have a scary section.
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Old 04-22-2018, 06:32 PM   #25
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With a core charge, does it make more sense to buy my calipers local rather good at Rock Auto?
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Old 04-22-2018, 07:31 PM   #26
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Local as the core charge refund gets eaten by shipping. Replacing those rotted lines is a good idea while it is all apart.
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Old 04-23-2018, 08:15 AM   #27
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I used RA and used their shipping label for shipping the cores back it was only 6.50. In the end RA was a much better deal. They had a 10 year warranty also. I got Cardone with weatherprof coating very nice.
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Mark,
$6.50 each or per caliper? I am doing the trade study of cost vs instant gratification.
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Old 04-23-2018, 11:23 AM   #29
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You have to keep the boxes they came in the both those boxes go in one box.
The one box cost $6.50 to ship back total cost.
You have to use their label and they get discounted shipping.
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Thanks Mark! When I did the math I came up with a $16 cost for instant gratification. I spent it.


Here is the short line:


And the long one.
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Today we got the left side lines hooked up. Good thing we had another Saturn handy to understand the brake hose routing. Also I have the right side nicopp line sort of in place. Need to tweak it a bit.

We popped the door skin off so I could lube the window. Isn't there supposed to be insulation here?


I busted off a couple of tabs. Any thoughts on a repair? I am thinking fiberglass.
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You can see the shreds of what is missing and there should be a plastic sheet on the inside.

Tab repair is best done with Velcro strips.

Plastic safe dry lube on that lock actuator and associated linkage as well.
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You could use Reflectix as sound deadener on the doors, to replace the insulation. Going to do something about noise in my car eventually

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We popped the door skin off so I could lube the window. Isn't there supposed to be insulation here?
Always interesting to see when someone has been digging in the guts of the car before you and what surprises they have left behind. I've seen wheelhouse liners bolted on instead of using plastic fasteners, which makes the job of taking them off much harder.
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Plastic safe dry lube on that lock actuator and associated linkage as well.
That dry silicone you mentioned earlier? Or powdered mica?

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You know, I'd been trying to think of a way to glue reflectix onto the door, to replace the plastic sheet/insulation that the doors came with. Never thought of Velcro strips. I could use those strips, which would make removal for future lubing a lot easier.
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Dry silicone. Powdered mica also works but is a real trick to find in reasonable quantities. Whatever you do be absolutely sure it is plastic safe lube.

The original was stuck in place with a slow set high tack non-solvent based adhesive, think some of the newer construction adhesives.
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$320 worth of parts so far. I did the title, registration, and tax online tonight for another $221. Funny how quick a $500 car becomes a $1041 investment! Plus insurance.

I figure the Saturn will save me about $30/week in gas. Insurance is about $33/month. When I do the math it should pay off in a year, unless I have to put more money into it.
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A 1 year payback is an excellent investment.
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Dry silicone. Powdered mica also works but is a real trick to find in reasonable quantities. Whatever you do be absolutely sure it is plastic safe lube.
Thanks, OldNuc - I have both as a result of your previous recommendations
(got powdered mica from Franklin Armory years ago, just ordered the dry silicone from Amazon when I realized I had $40 in reward points so net cost = $0)

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$320 worth of parts so far. I did the title, registration, and tax online tonight for another $221. Funny how quick a $500 car becomes a $1041 investment! Plus insurance.
well, sure, but a more expensive car would be more taxes, insurance, and registration.

There are few to no other $500 cars that I can expect to drive for more than a year or two

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I figure the Saturn will save me about $30/week in gas. Insurance is about $33/month. When I do the math it should pay off in a year, unless I have to put more money into it.
That's an impressive payback period.

And an awful lot of gas per week
Now that I'm done with classes, my work commute should be 5 gallons of gas a week. . . .at $2.70/gal, only $14 a week total.
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$320 worth of parts so far. I did the title, registration, and tax online tonight for another $221. Funny how quick a $500 car becomes a $1041 investment! Plus insurance.

I figure the Saturn will save me about $30/week in gas. Insurance is about $33/month. When I do the math it should pay off in a year, unless I have to put more money into it.
This is a good deal in my book.
Heck I am looking for a very similar project car but for my other son.
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