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Old 07-16-2018, 07:12 PM   #1
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Default No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

Hi everyone. 1996 SW2 206k/mi. Hate to say this is the first trans change I have done since purchasing the Hoopty at 114k/mi.

I don't remember having this problem other than when the neutral safety switch went out. Throughout the week I did a bunch of much needed maintence including Trans fluid/filter. I did run the car on stands prior to taking a test drive to check for leeks. When off the stands is the first instance that I recall not shifting out of park. Could I have engaged the pawl/parking gear or whatever it's called? I gave it a couple of rocks back and forth, started it back up and was able to drive it. Shifts great but still have reverse slam. Not shifting from Park has occurred a few times since Friday.

I'm going to pull the console and take a look at the solenoid and interlock to see if anything jumps out.

Any thought on running fresh fluid on an incline that could have put this in motion or coincidence?

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Old 07-16-2018, 08:29 PM   #2
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Default Re: No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

Two things I have found or put two n two together.

1. ground for neutral safety switch was disconnected. looks like it's been that way for a while.

2. There's a lil squeek coming from brake switch button. Break lights work as normal.

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Old 07-16-2018, 09:48 PM   #3
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Default Re: No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

I believe the neutral safety switch will prevent the car from starting in neutral or park, not impacting the movement of the shifter. Then, there is the shift interlock which will prevent you from clicking in the button to move the shifter. My 99 wont let you shift unless the key is in the ignition and turned to atleast accessory, and will not start unless it is in park or neutral. Also cannot remove the key unless its in park or neutral. So, maybe you have an issue with the parking pawl if you can click in the button on the shifter, but cannot remove it from park. Maybe the fluid consistency or type isnt correct...
What type of fluid did you put back in the trans?
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My brother's 97 manual wouldnt go into gear unless it was fully synthetic fluid, maybe something is worn and needs the extra slip or lubrication from a better fluid.

Just my $0.02, I believe it may be fluid related since thats all that you changed or did recently. I also suggest looking into a valve body for the reverse slam fix, or you run the risk of loosening the nut on the input shaft (which is easy to torque if you purchase a holder and shaved socket). Another thing to consider is using your Parking brake even with putting the car in park. Put it in park, keep your foot on the brake pedal, set the parking brake, then remove your foot from the brake pedal and then turn the car off and exit. I do this with out 99 auto and have never had a shifting issue. I also find it to relieve stress from the torque mounts on the engine and trans as there is no excessive weight pushing on the powertrain. You can see it for yourself by putting the car in park with it off and opening the hood while rocking the car back and forth from the front. It really shows the motor mounts moving. But anyway, fluid and parking brake are your best bets.

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Old 07-16-2018, 09:57 PM   #4
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Default Re: No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

I think you're right about the neutral safety switch but going to check continuity anyway.

Trans fluid is vastrol Tranmax High Mileage.

Pretty sure it's the solenoid or linkage
Just did again. Couldn't clear it until Put a lil down jarring force on shifter.

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Old 07-16-2018, 10:31 PM   #5
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Does the button click in? If the button doesnt go in it may be the interlock which goes to the ignition switch I believe. I actually have a good shifter from a 95 (gen 2 style shifter) that I manual swapped. I can look at it tomorrow since its out of the car and take pictures of it tomorrow for the internals.

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Old 07-16-2018, 10:36 PM   #6
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when it's acting up, the button does not depress

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Default Re: No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

So then it would be your shift interlock setup. Possibly the solenoid or at the ignition switch end.

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Default Re: No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

Lets hope I found the problem. The originsl lithium grease they used was pretty gummed up includimg the solenoid shaft. I shot every mechanical part under the shifter with CRC electronic cleaner. I finished it up with WD40 whote lithium spray.

So far so good but I'm not calling it fixed yet.

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Hi everyone. 1996 SW2 206k/mi. Hate to say this is the first trans change I have done since purchasing the Hoopty at 114k/mi.

I don't remember having this problem other than when the neutral safety switch went out. Throughout the week I did a bunch of much needed maintence including Trans fluid/filter. I did run the car on stands prior to taking a test drive to check for leeks. When off the stands is the first instance that I recall not shifting out of park. Could I have engaged the pawl/parking gear or whatever it's called? I gave it a couple of rocks back and forth, started it back up and was able to drive it. Shifts great but still have reverse slam. Not shifting from Park has occurred a few times since Friday.

I'm going to pull the console and take a look at the solenoid and interlock to see if anything jumps out.

Any thought on running fresh fluid on an incline that could have put this in motion or coincidence?

Thanks in advance


My Aura would not shift into park and it was the shifter cable on top of tranny--- near tranny fill hole--- that had broken

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Old 07-18-2018, 09:27 AM   #10
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Default Re: No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

Still messing with this thing. Looks to me like the ball joint closest to the firewall is binding on the support. Couldn't figure out how to resize a photo.

If my solenoid is working properly, it only releases the rod once discharged. The motion of the shift lever back is what pulls it out. Or, is that solenoid supposed to kick that rod out with some force?

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Lets see if this works.
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Have you got it figured out?

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Default Re: No shift from park on occassion Shift Lock or???

So far so good. Looks like the biggest culprets were a sticky solenoid and brake switch. I just blasted the solenoid to get some solvent down inside to free that up and adjusted brake switch.

I did end up putting new rear shoes on and properly adjusting parking brake.

Bottom line is I have no idea what caused the lockout situation. I just went down the line, tested, cleaned and adjusted everything and it seams to be working as of now. Keep in mind the hoopty did not throw any codes whatsoever.

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