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Old 08-07-2018, 02:31 PM   #161
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You know what, I think I used that guide to track down my rattle! Full circle!
Our 99 has the exact interior, and I have only seen 1 other with it throughout craigslist and facebook marketplace.

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Old 10-14-2018, 08:53 AM   #162
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Doing an oil change yesterday and looking at my suspension components. I replaced the control arms earlier in the summer and a couple months later I noticed my left and right tire was getting scrubbed on the outer edge. I figured the control arm changed the alignment somehow so I got an alignment. I replaced the tie rod ends and put in new struts before doing the alignment. The right side however I think is still getting scrubbed. Take a look at the control arm at the engine cradle. Does it look like it is sliding to the right? Has anyone seen this before? Is this possible?



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Old 10-14-2018, 09:24 AM   #163
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It does look to be a bit displaced. Measure the amount of sleeve on each side and compare to the other side measurements. It does not take much displacement to radically change the steering geometry.

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Old 10-14-2018, 10:51 AM   #164
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Is that piece supposed to be fixed and if so how? I'm thinking yes.

Looking at the notch in the LCA mount I think it is currently centered but it looks like it has been moving to the left intermittently, based on the marks in and about 3/8" or so.

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Yes, supposed to be a press fit, tight.

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Old 10-14-2018, 07:06 PM   #166
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I take it that it is scrap metal now.

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Yes, I would replace it with a new one from a different Chinese factory. The brand name on the box means nothing as to quality either.

This guy has brick and mortar stores in Canada and quality parts: https://www.ebay.com/usr/maximum_sus...p2047675.l2559

You can probably contact him through eBay and locat what you need.

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Old 10-15-2018, 08:08 AM   #168
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I bought the one from my photo from Rockauto and it is the Mevotech brand from the Daily Driver section.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...357264&jsn=336

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Quality is all over the place and the guy I linked above is one of those sellers that is picky about the quality of the parts he sells.

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Quality is all over the place and the guy I linked above is one of those sellers that is picky about the quality of the parts he sells.
I reached out to him. He doesn't show any Saturn parts within his eBay store or website. We'll see what comes of it.

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So another development, rather than deal with an RMA to RockAuto I reached out to Mevotech technical support since they are in Southern Ontario (3 1/2 hours south of here). I sent them an email with the photos describing the issue at 11:16 AM and they called me at 11:23. That's pretty impressive.

Anyways, the tech said that they press those in from right to left and what I'm seeing is the marking from the press is process. That area has presented a bit of rust since I installed them in May making it more pronounced. He said the other side should look similar.

He asked me to go ahead and get an alignment and to send him the before and after specs so they can see what is going on. The new tie rod ends are Mevotech too.

I have the car in at an alignment specialist shop today for other reasons and they are going to double check the suspension and give me an opinion. If they think it is good I'll have them do the alignment later this week.

The previous alignment was done at Canadian Tire which is not my first choice but they accommodate weekends. I was able to do the work and get the alignment on a Saturday. If I recall I had a trip planned on the Sunday.

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He only lists fast movers on eBay. Should have the Saturn stuff at the store though. Nice to see Mevotech has a functional customer support, that is a good sign. Yes that sleeve is pressed in there and theoretically should not move.

Check that the cradle is not shifting around. Look at the alignment holes for signs of any displacement.

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Had a 4 wheel alignment done and all suspension parts are good. Specs were way out and I still don't know conclusively why. I'll be keeping an eye on it. I've attached a photo of the before and after alignment specs.

I went back Canadian Tire and they refunded me for the cost of the July alignment and offered to help me out in the spring when I'm looking to replace the 2 front tires. The manager did say the alignment technician wasn't very seasoned however he couldn't really explain why the front was so off alignment after 4200 km . The rear, they didn't really do anything with - at the time said it was not adjustable which I questioned them on (Monroe struts do have elongated holes) but they assured me camber wouldn't make a significant difference. I left with an uneasy feeling but I had heard that before. The specialty alignment shop took the time to get the rear aligned.

Never heard back from the eBay seller Maximum Suspension when I emailed them directly. Oh well.

On another note. I'm having an issue with my rear defroster. It seems when it gets cold the switch does not activate. I press the button and don't hear the definitive "click" and the light does not illuminate. In warmer weather it works fine although who needs rear defrost when it's warm! Any ideas?

I also noted yesterday when changing to my winter wheels and lubing up my caliper pins that the left front brake caliper is is installed upside down. I guess this means at some time during the previous ownership that someone installed the wrong caliper mount. The right side is correct so it's not a case of reversing the 2. Is there any reason to be concerned? I know the bleeder valve is not at the lowest point but other than that should I bother correcting it?
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On another note. I'm having an issue with my rear defroster. It seems when it gets cold the switch does not activate. I press the button and don't hear the definitive "click" and the light does not illuminate. In warmer weather it works fine although who needs rear defrost when it's warm! Any ideas?

I also noted yesterday when changing to my winter wheels and lubing up my caliper pins that the left front brake caliper is is installed upside down. I guess this means at some time during the previous ownership that someone installed the wrong caliper mount. The right side is correct so it's not a case of reversing the 2. Is there any reason to be concerned? I know the bleeder valve is not at the lowest point but other than that should I bother correcting it?
Anybody want to comment on these 2 open issues from my earlier post?

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I'd pull the surround off and disconnect the connectors, then spritz everything with electronics cleaner. Something may be sticking, not pressing far enough, etc., when cold weather shrinks the plastics.

We rarely drink cans in the car, but last time I opened a can of Coke in the minivan, drops sprayed several feet. That stuff can get everywhere if you aren't careful


Can't comment on the brakes, outside of my knowledge - I just know the basics of replacing

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As long as the caliper is bled ok should be fine. But how do you bleed it in that configuration?

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As long as the caliper is bled ok should be fine. But how do you bleed it in that configuration?
I imagine they took it off the mount and let it hang. I wasn't the one to do the work on the brake lines.

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I'm going to post these photos here for future reference. I seem to always be looking for them for reference when replying to related posts.

This is from my 99 SL2 MT running a 2 year old Stant 14279 thermostat. This seems to be the normal gauge reading for a 99 model year based on owner consensuses. It seems low compared to my 01 SL1 but it is what it is.




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The gen-3 has a different gauge calibration and there is no direct comparison.

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Yup..

Prior to owning a GEN2 it had the understanding from this forum that GEN2 and GEN3 were one and the same. It was never really brought forward that GEN1, GEN2 and GEN3 all had different calibrations. I try to make that known now when replying to related posts and pictures are worth a thousand words. A GEN3 displaying a similar reading to a GEN2 is likely having some issues.

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