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Old 04-19-2018, 02:53 PM   #1
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New Jersey did it again, water contaminating one of its gas stations with cars dying. Police determined bad gasoline from one station; http://nj1015.com/this-monmouth-coun...sold-bad-fuel/.

A few years ago, a tanker driver inadvertently pumped diesel fuel into an underground gas tank resulting in everyone filing their vehicles with diesel instead of gasoline. They drove off only to have their engines die about a mile or so down the turnpike. The gas company made good on repairs.

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Additional news; https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...480259253.html

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More water in gasoline; http://amp.wlwt.com/article/west-che...d-gas/20104035

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Third party inadvertently loads diesel into underground gas tank in California; https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...821.html?amp=y

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And again but in Texas; https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Lo...831.html?amp=y

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Kroger in Indiana; http://amp.theindychannel.com/259544...-vehicles.html

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Murphy USA in San Antonio, Texas; http://foxsanantonio.com/news/local/...tter-to-a-stop

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And another dilemma but not about diesel fuel in our gasoline, gasoline inadvertently added to underground diesel tanks. This occurred in Franklin, Indiana; Unleaded fuel mixed with diesel at Franklin Meijer https://www.theindychannel.com/news/...ranklin-meijer

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Yes, I think you are right! The issue must be somehow solved, it is very important! The addressed question will be considered!

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And across the pond in the UK; https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...n-somerset/amp.
TESCO accidentally put water in petrol pumps leaving leaving motorists stricken with broken down cars on the filling station forecourt on the M32.

Tesco's filling station Eastville, Bristol, was closed and police were called to deal with stricken cars after the incident.

Videos show several broken down cars and vans on the forecourt, on a nearby roundabout, and on the road from the Tesco to the nearby M32. Intial reports suggested the diesel and petrol tanks had been mixed up – but Tesco have now confirmed the issue was down to water in the tank.

Taking to social media, one driver said: “Don’t fill up from Tesco. They have mixed up petrol with diesel at the pump. They’ve put the wrong fuel in the pumps.

"Four cars are broken down, God knows how many there are more."

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Lest anyone thinks bad gas only affects cars, the FAA issued special airworthiness bulletin about jet fuel contamination at one airport; https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...m_medium=email. If the link dies, below is a reprint of the main article.

FAA ISSUES BULLETIN ON JET FUEL CONTAMINATION
September 18, 2018 By Dan Namowitz
The FAA has issued a special airworthiness information bulletin (SAIB) in response to an incidence of jet fuel contaminated by the addition of diesel exhaust fluid at Miami-Opa Locka Executive Airport in Florida in August.

From Aug. 12 to 16, five airplanes received fuel that had been contaminated with the emissions-control substance, believed to have been mistaken for a jet-fuel ice-inhibiting additive. One of those aircraft, a Dassault Falcon 900EX, made a forced return to the airport with two of its three engines becoming disabled. Nine other aircraft were fueled with equipment that had been exposed to the diesel exhaust fluid, or DEF.

A chemical reaction between DEF and jet fuel can precipitate crystalline deposits that will “flow through the aircraft fuel system and may accumulate on filters, fuel metering components, other fuel system components, or engine fuel nozzles,” the SAIB says. A table in the SAIB lists aircraft that “experienced clogged fuel filters and fuel nozzle deposits that led to service difficulties and unplanned diversions.” A separate table lists aircraft that were exposed to trace amounts of DEF, which is not approved as a fuel additive.
The SAIB notifies the aviation community of three recommendations the FAA made directly to owners or operators of airplanes it identified at ether level of exposure, to work with manufacturers to determine inspection methods and maintenance actions to remove any crystalline deposits; to report service difficulties to the FAA; and to discard any jet fuel suspected of being contaminated with DEF and not use the contaminated fuel in any other aircraft or vehicles.

When the fuel-contamination incident was reported, AOPA called for a broader, collaborative effort to head off other fuel-contamination incidents, and has joined with other aviation organizations to provide additional education and awareness of the issue.

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I suspect that contamination of aircraft fuel may be a less frequent occurrence than with automotive fuel. I am in no way am I intending to minimize the importance of this story, however. The likelihood for a greater catastrophic incident involving aircraft is what can make this story frightening to anyone - most definitely including me! I'm very glad that there have apparently been no accidents resulting from the bad fuel at this Miami airport.

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pierrot, you are correct. In general the aviation community is self governing with a greater oversight on safety from the FAA. I linked this news to show how easy anyone or circumstances can contaminate fuel. At the least, this is troubling news as this spreads like wildfire so everyone is informed. The mystery remains as to how DEF used in vehicle diesel engines inadvertently became mixed with jet fuel.

Although not of any importance here but related to aviation, FAA reports pilots still forget or ignore the simplest preflight checks and run out of fuel while flying.......after a crash occurs and investigations are concluded to determine cause.

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And here we are again, http://amp.wcvb.com/article/diesel-f...ation/23518096, another gas station fouling it's premium tank (with diesel fuel), causing vehicle owners grief when they thought they were filling their tank with premium fuel. Fortunately, this station has covered repairs to vehicles damaged by the tanker truck filling the station tank incorrectly. If the link dies, here's the news story.

Diesel fuel accidentally put into premium tank at Mobil gas station

ABINGTON, Mass. —
Jessie Berrio was driving home Wednesday morning when her SUV’s gas light turned on. She was driving up Randolph Street and happened to be near Alltown-Mobil to fill up, even though it’s not her normal gas station.

But it turned out to be the wrong day to fill up at the Route 18 gas station in Abington, she learned – diesel fuel was accidentally put into the premium tank, the Patriot Ledger reported. She and her boyfriend, Jeff Chancholo, discovered the problem when their Ford Explorer Sport, which was purchased just five months ago, began to shake. “We live a minute away from the mechanic and the truck died as we were turning in,” Berrio told The Enterprise. “And it was shaking immediately – very aggressive, too. I honestly thought we were going to blow up.” Chancholo had to take the day off from work on Thursday to try and get the problem straightened out. It wasn’t until then that Berrio saw a post on an Abington Facebook group that the wrong gas was put into the tank at Alltown and she realized that’s what was wrong with her vehicle. “That’s exactly what was wrong – we had a full tank of diesel,” Berrio said. Forward to Friday – and $600 later after their mechanic drained the fuel tank, changed the lines and replaced the vehicle’s spark plugs – the check engine light was back on in her Explorer. “God only knows what damage it truly has done,” Berrio said. “Because it’s a turbo, it could have more issues down the road and it just didn’t take long for the check engine light to come back on. I’m not going to drive it until I have to pick up my kids and just pray it doesn’t blow up.” Alltown tells The Enterprise that the costly mix-up was the fault of a third-party trucking company, Abenaqui Carriers, which delivered fuel on Tuesday and “inadvertently unloaded 1,500 gallons of diesel fuel into the super-grade fuel tank.”

Customers who went to Alltown to fill-up on Wednesday were greeted to sticky notes on the 89 (special) and 91-grade (super-plus) fuel pumps. “Not available, do not select,” the notes stated. “After discovering the issue, the super-grade fuel tank was shut down, emptied, cleaned and replaced with the proper product,” Alltown said in the written statement emailed to the newspaper. “As of this morning, all tanks are functioning properly.” Alltown is directing anyone who was affected to Abenaqui Carriers’ insurance claims handler, Gallagher Basset, who can be reached at 973-644-5904. “We are disappointed that Abenaqui Carriers’ actions caused any issues with our customers,” the Alltown statement read. “We are aggressively following up to determine how such a mistake happened and will identify procedures to ensure it doesn’t happen again.” A message left with Abenaqui Carriers was not immediately returned to the newspaper.

A similar incident occurred at the AL Prime Energy gas station on Crescent Street in Brockton in September 2015. Some local motorists told The Enterprise at the time that their vehicles died shortly after filling up at the gas station. After consulting their mechanics, they believed diesel fuel had been put into the regular gas tank.

For Berrio and others who were affected, it’s a frustrating mistake that could cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. And some worry that their vehicles may never be the same. “This could have and actually might have completely ruined our car,” Berrio said. “With two kids and multiple dogs I take care of, I need a reliable vehicle.”

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Diesel delivery error affects 50-plus vehicles at Georgia gas station; https://www.ajc.com/news/local/diese...7Yd9c61KBLEqO/. In case the link is lost the article is reprinted here.

Updated Sept 26, 2018
By Steve Burns, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

A delivery driver accidentally put thousands of gallons of diesel fuel in a gas station tank holding regular unleaded Saturday, leaving dozens of customers with engine problems.

The mix-up occurred about 10:30 a.m. at the BP in the 1300 block of U.S. 29 in Newnan, according to Green Oil Inc., a Fairburn gasoline wholesaler that owns the gas station.

More than 50 vehicles were impacted, said John Cook, Green Oil’s director of wholesale operations.

“We got a case of human error,” he told AJC.com on Wednesday. “The driver dropped the wrong product into the wrong tank.”

Sales were shut down for three to four hours after the problem was discovered, Cook said. The gas tank in question was cleaned.

About 2,000 gallons of diesel went into a tank that already held about 6,000 gallons of regular unleaded.

Sales were shut down for three to four hours after the problem was discovered, Cook said.
Some drivers had issues before they left the station, Cook said. Others left but didn’t get far.

“It won’t do any real damage to your motor,” Cook said of putting diesel in a gasoline engine.

However, it can cause fuel injector problems, according to online information.

Fallout from the botched delivery continues. Cook said he received 10 calls Wednesday, forwarding them to the company’s insurer.

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Georgia drivers: What to do if your car is tainted by local gas; https://www.ajc.com/news/local/georg...l85GM/amp.html. If the link is lost, the article is reprinted here.

Oct 18, 2018
By Ben Brasch The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

For the second time in a week, metro Atlanta drivers pumped contaminated fuel from separate Kroger gas stations into their vehicles.

There was water in the fuel of the gas station on Powder Springs Road in Cobb County, and a tanker driver mixed up the diesel and gasoline tanks at the station on Ga. 20 South in Covington, said Richard Lewis, director of Georgia’s fuel and measures division of the Department of Agriculture.

Multiple vehicles were affected, some damaged.

Felix B. Turner, a regional spokesman for Kroger, said that this isn’t a widespread problem and the grocery store giant will make it right with customers. He declined to say how the mistake happened, and said the company was still investigating. But this uncommon event has left many drivers with questions. We answer some below.

Wait, what happened again?

At one Kroger gas station in Cobb, people pumped gas that had water in it into their vehicles. Then a few days later in a separate incident, a tanker driver accidentally filled up a Covington Kroger station’s regular gas tank with diesel. Customers didn’t know they were pumping the wrong fuel into their vehicles.

What does Kroger say?

“This isn’t a widespread problem for Kroger. It was two isolated incidents. While we can’t answer for other fuel retailers, it is our policy to provide a great customer experience,” Turner, the company’s regional spokesman said, “... and as in this case, when there is an issue with a product or service, we do our best to make it right for our customers.”

Kroger said this week it will cover the cost of repairs to the damaged vehicles.

Why is water in fuel bad?

It mixes like, well, oil and water. A vehicle needs the fuel to ignite, but water has the opposite effect.

What happens to a vehicle when this happens?

Ralph Jordan, manager for AAA’s six Georgia Car Care Centers, said water stays in your tank and blocks things from flowing properly inside a vehicle, creating pressure that can start bending parts inside a vehicle.

It can greatly accelerate the failure of spark plugs.

He said a mechanic will probably need to pull out the tank and flush it along with anywhere else the fuel traveled.

How much does it cost to repair a car with bad gas?

The range of $400 to $500 is a fair starting estimate, Jordan said. But that amount obviously increases if any components were damaged.

How does water get in a a gas station’s fuel?

There are a few general ways that this happens, Jordan said.

Condensation could form in the below-ground tanks at stations, there could be a problem with the tanker transporting the fuel or there could be a problem with the gasoline at the source before the tanker picks it up.

Lewis added that it could also be as simple as someone improperly screwing on the cap of the below-ground tanks before it rains.

When will drivers begin to notice symptoms?

Jordan said that depends on how much water is taking up space in your tank, but it could be immediately or within 10 to 15 minutes.

Generally, you’ll notice it in a hurry.

“Because it won’t burn right off, it’ll start sputtering,” he said.

As for diesel in a gas-powered vehicle, online experts like CarTalk and Jalopnik said your car literally can’t use diesel so it’ll use up whatever gas is in the tank and then stop working. The car would then have to to be towed to an automotive shop and have the fuel system drained.

Who is responsible when this happens?

Lewis, whose division of the Georgia Agriculture Department investigates fuel mishaps like these, said the gas station is at fault.

Most stations have liability insurance that’ll usually cover these types incidents, he said.

What do I do if this happens to me?

PANIC. Just kidding, don’t. Whether there’s some water or accidental diesel in your tank, it would be hard to do some permanent damage. That’s because your vehicle doesn’t want to run without the right mix of gas.

You’ll feel your car run sluggishly, Jordan said, and so you should pull over.

Turner, the Kroger spokesman, also said for people to keep their receipts (for the gas, a tow service or a rental car) and have a mechanic document the damage. Then give all that to a manager of the store where you bought the fuel for possible reimbursement.

The phone number and email to report such incidents to the state is listed on a sticker that should be on every gas pump in the state, Lewis said.

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