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Old 10-25-2017, 05:38 PM   #1
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Default Early Saturn V6 Trivia

Did you guys ever hear the story of the Saturn big car with a V6?

It seems that at an early 90's car show, Saturn showed a big car prototype to the public. It had a V6, was FWD, and looked VERY MUCH like the SL's of the time.

But after some thinking by the GM big shots, it was decided that a big V6 car was outside of how GM was trying to promote the Saturn. They were trying to promote Saturn as a pseudo foreign car (small car - small engine), outside of American design and thought process. A big car with a V6 was just too American.

But GM didn't waste the investment that went into the design. GM didn't scrap the big car or it's idea! They just rebadged the prototype, and called it the Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme!

Do an internet search for pictures of the '94 Cutlass Supreme on Google or Yahoo. Check out the rear tail lights, the shape of the back glass, the overall shape of the body, and the rubber nose between the headlights. Look at the panel between the tail lights on the trunk deck. It all looks like an SL. Even the dashboard looks like a heavily modified SL dash. Check out the logo in the center of the trunk deck! It almost looks like a Saturn logo!

How about rebadging one of those Supreme's with some Saturn logos and a "Supreme Series" nameplate?

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Old 10-25-2017, 07:17 PM   #2
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I think you're right. There’s a resemblance

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Old 10-25-2017, 07:33 PM   #3
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http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbs...ccccc-part-13/

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Old 10-25-2017, 08:02 PM   #4
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Old 10-25-2017, 08:33 PM   #5
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That story is phony.
The cutlass supreme already had their 3.1 v6 engine in place in 1988 - 1997.
The 88 model year came out as FWD, and remained steel body panels, not plastic.

Gm didn't rebadge anything. They don't remotely look like even cousins.

The Olds cutlass supreme was there long before Saturn was anywhere near production.

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Old 10-26-2017, 08:15 AM   #6
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That story is phony.
The cutlass supreme already had their 3.1 v6 engine in place in 1988 - 1997.
The 88 model year came out as FWD, and remained steel body panels, not plastic.

Gm didn't rebadge anything. They don't remotely look like even cousins.

The Olds cutlass supreme was there long before Saturn was anywhere near production.
Okay, if we’re throwing cold water on it....look at the 1980 Audi 5000

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Old 10-26-2017, 10:19 AM   #7
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In the early S-Series owners manuals- there is a reference on some pages to an SL3; which was the rumoured V6 S-Series Car.

The legend goes that 1 or 2 of them were built, but it was never fully realized to put into production because of the amount of power that the specific V6 would have generated- it would have caused major issues with taking rubber off the tires... I don't remember the projected HP output; but it was way more then the mere 124 HP of the DOHC engine.

I would argue about that article; because there is some truth to it; regarding the Olds and S-Series being similar. The A Pillars and side mirrors; even the placement of the door handles are all similar.

Keep in mind too- that the original startup of Saturn was 99 executives- led by Roger Smith. Saturn history dates back to 1982; with the first concept being built in 1984 (I have a picture in my gallery on the last page)....

IIRC- there were either 7 or 11 states that were vying for the factory, with Tennessee winning- when Spring Hill was initially constructed. GM tried very hard to make the car a standalone startup; and for a time it was the first new nameplate that GM had in almost 70 years.

Another piece of GM history: The S-Series shares the Z body platform that has only been used prior in the Chevy Corvair, made from 1960-1969.

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Old 10-26-2017, 11:32 AM   #8
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The styling is similar, which you'd expect from a brand that did nothing but copy from it's sister brands.

Had enough of the 2.8/3.1's (not 3100's) to be glad the S-Series never got it...total boat anchor motor. Utter garbage.

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Old 10-26-2017, 12:44 PM   #9
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I used to own a 1979 Audi 5000S, the '80 model did not deviate much from the '79, but the only resemblance to a Saturn S is that indeed, each had 4 wheels, and 4 doors. However, the headlamps, tail lenses etc, quite different & not really comparable vehicles other than both were gasoline engines.I did enjoy the 5 speed and 5 cylinder engine tho, and the 2.0L engine really moved out!!

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Old 10-26-2017, 12:45 PM   #10
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In the early S-Series owners manuals- there is a reference on some pages to an SL3; which was the rumoured V6 S-Series Car.

The legend goes that 1 or 2 of them were built, but it was never fully realized to put into production because of the amount of power that the specific V6 would have generated- it would have caused major issues with taking rubber off the tires... I don't remember the projected HP output; but it was way more then the mere 124 HP of the DOHC engine.

I would argue about that article; because there is some truth to it; regarding the Olds and S-Series being similar. The A Pillars and side mirrors; even the placement of the door handles are all similar.

Keep in mind too- that the original startup of Saturn was 99 executives- led by Roger Smith. Saturn history dates back to 1982; with the first concept being built in 1984 (I have a picture in my gallery on the last page)....

IIRC- there were either 7 or 11 states that were vying for the factory, with Tennessee winning- when Spring Hill was initially constructed. GM tried very hard to make the car a standalone startup; and for a time it was the first new nameplate that GM had in almost 70 years.

Another piece of GM history: The S-Series shares the Z body platform that has only been used prior in the Chevy Corvair, made from 1960-1969.
This is not true. They share zero parts or design concepts. They were just coincidentally both named the Z body platform.

I also question the SL3 reference and have always chalked it up to bad editing. In my experience, I've found that GM has done poorly at times with regard to proofreading and misinformation in their owners and service manuals.

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Old 10-26-2017, 07:46 PM   #11
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Not bad editing...

As a matter fact- Our own Charlie (Admin) posted about this as a Flashback Friday a few years ago... with a reported possible 250 HP engine...

http://www.saturnfans.com/cars/s-ser...end-saturn-sl3

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Saturn vice president, Don Hudler, told the Chicago Tribune back in 1992 that, "We're looking at an SL3 for '94. It would have a higher trim level than the SL2 sedan, plus a few exterior styling differences. It would have leather seats and a couple of different radio choices and a sunroof." He added that "a manual transmission doesn't make sense in such an uplevel car, but that's not to say we couldn't offer one." In addition, the SL3 was said to have anti-lock brakes, traction control, and power doors, windows, and locks included as standard equipment. It also would've had the SC2's retractable headlamps.

Ten prototypes were reportedly produced. However at the time Hudler told the newspaper, "we still haven't decided on offering it yet. Some of our retailers are starting to yell that we're offering too many models already."

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^^ however, the OP had stated:
"But GM didn't waste the investment that went into the design. GM didn't scrap the big car or it's idea! They just rebadged the prototype, and called it the Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme!"

This ^^ part cannot be true. If the Saturn exec was speaking of a 94 saturn upgrade, and did not do it, the Cutlass Supreme was already in production for years .... before that exec's statement.

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As luck would have it, I was stopped in traffic this morning, right next to an Olds Cutlass Supreme! I briefly saw the rear, long time saw the left side and then moved in front of it and viewed the nose by the rearview mirror ... I don't see the similarities that are supposed to be there...

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