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Old 03-08-2009, 01:11 AM   #1
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Default just did my timing belt/water pump with PICS!

well at 106,000 miles on the clock i changed my waterpump/and timing belt plus pullys today,i snapped some pics along the way and tried to do a half ass writeup for us 3.5 honda motor guys.unfortunelty my camera wouldnt capture the marks on the sprockets to well,but once you dive in you will see them and its really a no brainer job,our new belt was tight going on with no tension and i noticed one cam slightly moved a lil when prying the belt over it,
but once the pin was removed from the tensioner it moved right back when the slack was removed and it didnt even move a tooth,the 50mm tool is required to hold the crank pully still while getting the 19 mm socket through to loosen the pully,i found the tool on ebay for 25$ shipped,we have good air and air tools here and it wouldnt break the bolt loose we had to use the tool and do it bye hand,also loctite needs to be applied to the idler pully bolt and the center bolt that passes in the middle of the engine brace.
the instructions that came with belt said to remove the plugs to ease spinning the motor,i asked my buddy at the local honda/acura dealership and he said its not necessary,the reason he usally does it cause the 105k service recomends changing the plugs at the same time,my plugs were recently changed so i did not pull them,and i had no problems spinning the motor bye hand.
so here is my pics and crappy write up of the progress,took about 3 hours.
changed the serpentine belt out while it was off.
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so first thing is to loosen pass side lugnuts & jack up the pass side,the best spot is the brace running under the radiatior.and put a jack stand under to hold it up in the air. remove the pass side wheel then use a screwdriver to pry off the plastic fastners that hold the splashsheild in,and remove splashsheild.while your underneath look in the pass side of the radiator,you will see a drainpug,use a screwdriver and open up the valve with a catch pan underneath.



next on the list is to remove the factory intake tube and box,then put a peice of wood on a floorjack and support the motor from the pan,then remove the 2 bolts for the pass side top engine mount and the long bolt that runs through the brace,remove the mount,then put a wrench on the serpentine belt tensioner{i think 14mm} and pry tension off of belt and remove serpentine belt




next get out the tool that will hold the crank from spinning while sticking a 19mm socket through the middle to lossen the crank bolt,ITS TIGHT!...once the bolt is removed the crank pully should just pull off easily,no prying should be necessary.stick the bolt back in with the pully off and rotate the crank till the timing marks line up on the crank and cams.i also marked exactly where they were with my own marks.then remove brace that the engine mount connected to.their is one bolt that goes the center of the brace you can use a long extension and get to it straight by using a hole in the inner fenderwell.then remove lower timing cover{10mm bolts}




now you should be to see a mark on the block as well that should be lined up with the crank sprocket,its hard to see in the pic but you will see it,also both cams should be at #1 lines.

now remove the 2 bolts holding the tensioner on,remove it.then remove the 1 bolt going through the tensioner pully assy{upper left pully} and also remove the belt carefully and remove the pully,next unbolt the idler pully{it will be on tight!}remove it,then posistion a catch pan under the waterpump and remove the 5 10mm bolts holding it on,we had to tap the pump loose lightly tapping the pump pully with a rubber mallet.you will loose all antifreeze.


put the new o ring gasket in the new pump and posisiton it on motor using the dowel pins in pump to line it up,bolt it snug do not wrench down on it!no sealent is required.then put some loctite on the idler bolt and install new idler pully,tq to 33 ft lbs.then install new tensioner and pully,now install the belt in a clockwise sequence starting with the tensioner pully,MAKE SURE THE CAM SPROCKET OR CRANK SPROCKET DO NOT MOVE! our belt was a tight fit with no tension on it,so make sure all of your marks are still lined up after the belt is installed!then double check! make sure belt sits in all of the grooves on all sprockets.please keep in mind when my crank was perfectly matched up my cams slightly appeared A LIL off...but no where neer a tooth.as long as it was where it was when you removed it youll be fine! thats why i added my own marks next to the factory ones before remoing the belt.once your convinced youve got it right and double checked the marks,remove the pin in the tensioner assy...to allow tesion to be put on the belt...spin the motor bye hand 1 full revoulution and make sure all marks still line up...if they do your good to go,reinstall lowercover,engine brace,uppertiming covers,engine mount,put tool on crank with pully on and and tq to 65ft lb PLUS 60* of a turn,then reinstall serpentine belt,put drain plug back in radiatior,remove jack from pan,put air filter assy back in,reinstall splash sheild and put wheel back on,fill cooling system with dexcool,if your still nervous you can pull back one of the many access holes on the cover and make sure everything is lined up one last time before you cross your fingers and start your vechile...listen for any weird noises,and let idle adding dexcool/50 water mix till full mark is reached.CONGRATS YOUR DONE!

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Old 03-08-2009, 02:56 AM   #2
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Default Re: just did my timing belt/water pump with PICS!

I have the 2004 Vue V-6. Great posting. Not sure I would do it myself, since 3 hours probably means 8 hours for the weekend mechanic. Great to see all the Honda brand marks
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:42 AM   #3
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Default Re: just did my timing belt/water pump with PICS!

oh and i should add at 106,000 the old belt,tensioner,idler and waterpump bearings were all good,the belt looked fine,only minumum play in bearings when compared to new.but i replaced everything anyway since i had all the parts already and i was their,lol
and if ya cant tell from the pic my crank pulley was rusty i blasted it and painted it before i reinstalled it.

ill be pulling the intake manifold to do a port/polish job on it shortly and ill post pics of the progress
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Old 03-08-2009, 08:00 AM   #4
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Old 03-08-2009, 10:05 AM   #5
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oh and i should add at 106,000 the old belt,tensioner,idler and waterpump bearings were all good,the belt looked fine,only minumum play in bearings when compared to new.but i replaced everything anyway since i had all the parts already and i was their,lol
and if ya cant tell from the pic my crank pulley was rusty i blasted it and painted it before i reinstalled it.

ill be pulling the intake manifold to do a port/polish job on it shortly and ill post pics of the progress
I was going to ask, now that you've seen the old belt, did you think it really needed changing, and I see that my suspicions were correct. Still, you basically have to do it on the off chance that it could break and ruin the engine.
'Porting and polishing'...I was wondering how long it would be before the hot-rodder in you came out!
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Old 03-08-2009, 10:18 AM   #6
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wow talk about good old days of honda..cant believe they still use the 2 piece crank pulley! mine fell apart after 200,000 miles..but yea its real easy one u put in the pins in the lock the cams
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Old 03-08-2009, 02:02 PM   #7
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i also should add i got the cloyes kit from rock auto for 220$ another 17$ for the serp belt and 10$ for dexcool.
so it cost me 250$ total saturn dealership wanted over 1200$ for the same job,honda wanted 670$ just for the belt and pump installed no new tensioner or idler wich came with my kit.my local mechanic qouted me 250$ labor after i showed him the kit,but i had a uneasy feeling leaving it their.so im happy with doing it myself,the motor is one of the easiest to work around ive seen in a while,not what im used to,lol
i cant edit the post above but it should say to remove the upper timing belt covers{10mm}after removing the serpintine belt
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Top rate job! Excellent Post!
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Do you have a part number for that crank pulley tool?

and i see on alldata mention of a retaining pin and a retaining bolt for the tensioner. Are these anything special or can anything be subbed in for them?
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:16 AM   #11
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that bolt and pin they call out is only used if your reusing the tensioner,too hold the tensioner in place while removing the belt only,the rock auto kit comes with a new tensioner,so just unbolt the tensioner it wont fly off at you or anything,lol ...IMO i wouldnt feel right trusting a 100k tensioner ecspecially when your already their
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Great write up! Maybe sticky this one Mods? Also, looks like you compressor is soaked in freon.
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yeah my compressor leaks oil,thats on the neverending list of things to get done too,lol
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Is there a torque spec for the upper timing cover?

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I have the factory book for my 06 and it says to tighten the bolts to 12 Nm or 106 in lb.

ETA: There's a torque spec for EVERYTHING on this car

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Thanks. I'll probably do mine next year but I've already bought the tool to hold the crank pully so I'm ready. I noticed that you didn't replace the tensor. I know a lot of people do replace it but according to my All-Data info Saturn does not recommend changing it. I suspect people replace the tensor because the GM motors with the spring tensors required change. These Honda motors have hydraulic tensors and probably never need changing.

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I noticed that you didn't replace the tensor. I know a lot of people do replace it but according to my All-Data info Saturn does not recommend changing it. I suspect people replace the tensor because the GM motors with the spring tensors required change. These Honda motors have hydraulic tensors and probably never need changing.
I'm looking at the RockAuto kits and it seems there are 2 tensioners (1 spring and 1 hydraulic?). Apparently the hydraulic one goes for about $100. Maybe the hydraulic type are less prone to lose tension, but what about pulley bearing failure? I changed everything on my L81, and for the cost of the Honda kit ($209) incl. belt, both tensioners, idler and water pump, I think for peace of mind, I'd go the whole 9 yards.
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Would that be part# 4731? I'm trying to make sure that I get the right tool.
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I am definately a weekend mech warrior,removed everything and all looks like it could easily go another 100k,take note i am changing for the first time and car has 145k on it,,lol.Well going to try to get it back together using the genious who took the time to post with pic's.Thank you,thank you ,thank you.
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