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Old 04-11-2006, 09:31 AM   #1
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Default AWD/4WD Tow/price questions...

Thinking of the Outlook, I want something bigger and I want to replace my current VUE (worried getting first model year tho). Anyway I would buy the AWD version if it is different than the VUE. Does anyone know will it be true AWD or the fake AWD like the VUE has. Also how much will the outlook tow? Anyone also know what it will run fully loaded?

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Old 04-11-2006, 09:41 AM   #2
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Fully loaded someone quoted as $32k.

I havent seen any figures from Saturn themselves though so that is an uneducated guess that hopefully its right.

I cant answer the other things, I dont know enough about cars.

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Old 04-11-2006, 11:03 AM   #3
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AWD is always the same. You may be thinking of 4WD, where all 4 wheels are driving all the time?? That's a huge waste on gas, and not made much anymore. As for 1st year models, I bought a 1st year VUE and have had no problems. I also have a deposit on a 1st year SKY. If you do have a problem, thats what the 36000/3year warranty is for. They fix it. I think its worth it to have a new model AND they test these things like crazy before they hit market.

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Old 04-11-2006, 11:35 AM   #4
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AWD is always the same. You may be thinking of 4WD, where all 4 wheels are driving all the time?? That's a huge waste on gas, and not made much anymore. As for 1st year models, I bought a 1st year VUE and have had no problems. I also have a deposit on a 1st year SKY. If you do have a problem, thats what the 36000/3year warranty is for. They fix it. I think its worth it to have a new model AND they test these things like crazy before they hit market.

Sorry you are making a huge mistake, not all AWDs are the same. VUEs is fake and is an aweful sytem...I have it. I am hoping it resembles AWD in Subarus. The VUEs cannot do the "from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip"

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Old 04-12-2006, 06:17 AM   #5
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Sorry you are making a huge mistake, not all AWDs are the same. VUEs is fake and is an aweful sytem...I have it. I am hoping it resembles AWD in Subarus. The VUEs cannot do the "from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip"
I would bet on it being some variation of the VersaTrak system as that is GM's AWD solution.

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Old 04-12-2006, 05:51 PM   #6
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Sorry you are making a huge mistake, not all AWDs are the same. VUEs is fake and is an aweful sytem...I have it. I am hoping it resembles AWD in Subarus. The VUEs cannot do the "from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip"
I read where the VUE's AWD is one of the worst available because the front wheels noticable slip before the rear wheels get power. A good system's front wheels slip would not really be noticable to the driver... Saturn apparently did this to make the system work with the donut spare on the VUE -- Sad.

Hopefully, Saturn will not make the same mistake twice. Just dump the donut and go with a full-sized spare, I say. Place it under the rear like a lot of SUVs do.

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Old 04-13-2006, 05:55 AM   #7
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I read where the VUE's AWD is one of the worst available because the front wheels noticable slip before the rear wheels get power.
This is really how any on-demand AWD setup works. The rear wheels engage only when they are needed. It is pointless and inefficient to have all four wheels driving when on dry pavement 90% of the time.

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A good system's front wheels slip would not really be noticable to the driver... Saturn apparently did this to make the system work with the donut spare on the VUE -- Sad.
True, the wheel slip shouldn't be noticeable, but that's how the VersaTrak system works. The front wheels need to spin faster than the rear for the gerotor pumps to work. It's actually an ingenious solution because it's compact and all mechanical, so it's cheap.

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Hopefully, Saturn will not make the same mistake twice. Just dump the donut and go with a full-sized spare, I say. Place it under the rear like a lot of SUVs do.
What AWD solution would you say they use then? And there's only so much room under the VUE, no small SUVs (or at least none that I know of) put it under the vehicle. The RAV4 and CR-V have it on the rear hatch, which is a horrible eyesore.

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Old 04-14-2006, 05:50 PM   #8
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K1 - I haven't studied the technical aspects of the systems close enough to say, other than what I've read in the reviews. I was not confusing AWD with 4WD, as they are two different systems. The two reports that I read said that the front wheels slip for too long before the rears kick in (of course, "too long" is subjective). I can't recall exactly what the text said, but I believe that the same reviewer loved the Ford Five-Hundred's and the Ford Freestyle's AWD system, saying that the transfer was very smooth and almost instantaneous.

Anyways, it appears that 4WD still tops AWD for pure traction. Almost all the off-roaders have 4WD systems vs. AWD. Yes, it is sure to use more fuel (unless it is PT, and you only engage it when you need it). They also wear out tires faster.

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Old 04-14-2006, 08:06 PM   #9
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Guess what I want it it to be less noticiable and not "slam" the rear wheels in. On semi wet pavement my fronts will really spin and WHAM the rears kick in. I dont like it is all....

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Sorry you are making a huge mistake, not all AWDs are the same. VUEs is fake and is an aweful sytem...I have it. I am hoping it resembles AWD in Subarus. The VUEs cannot do the "from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip"
I wouldn't classify it as being "fake." I would classify it as a base model system. It may not be as comlex as other systems, because it is a mechanical on demand system. The idea is that the driver does need not engage it for it to work, therefore deeming it AWD. Other systems such as the SH-AWD on the Acura are computer controlled and vary the power between the front and rear wheels and also side-to-side. This results in a more complex and costlier system.
In the 3.0 pre-Honda motor VUE, the AWD system works really well. The Versatrak system may not be suited to work with the manner in which power is delivered with the Honda motor, which results in the "WHAM" sensation you are experiencing.

According to the Saturn site, the Outlook is rated to tow 4,500 lbs.

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